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Barnstar for u

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		This barnstar is provided to you for your edits on Rajput article.You have done hard work to bring it under Wikipedia Neutral point of view policy.I appreciate it.But i suggest just below infobox a single sentence is floating.Place it at right place.Heba Aisha (talk) 16:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you so much Heba Aisha. You deserve a barnstar too! Regards, LukeEmily (talk) 08:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

rajput page talk

Recent statement of Sajaypal007 is a violation of policy.In the section of Rajput talk page called Regarding repetition of same line..i had explained the same thing again reiterated by him.This is WP:STONEWALL .Heba Aisha (talk) 00:17, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Heba Aisha, I am 100% in agreement with you. I remember seeing your response to this issue earlier. His intent is now very clear. LukeEmily (talk) 07:44, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

There are various similar policies which explains his present behaviour as for example WP:LISTEN.since talk page of article is only for discussion related to improvement in article i m discussing this serious issue with u here.Heba Aisha (talk) 09:13, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

The text of the WP:LISTEN says that: Sometimes, editors perpetuate disputes by sticking to an allegation or viewpoint long after the consensus of the community has decided that moving on to other topics would be more productive. Such behavior is disruptive to Wikipedia.Believing that you have a valid point does not confer upon you the right to act as though your point must be accepted by the community when you have been told that it is not accepted. The community's rejection of your idea is not proof that they have failed to hear you..This is clearly the present case....of Sajaypal on Rajput talk page.In case of origin image also the community concensus was in favour of keeping image was ultimately not agreed to by him.I don't know why Kautilya3 who is aware of this policy is not closing previous thread on which concensus is built ex.~origin image case.Heba Aisha (talk) 09:19, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I request Kautilya3 to take note of this policy called WP:ICANTHEARYOU and close the thread of Origin image as clearly the community concensus is in favour of keeping the image except Sajaypal whose case can be explained properly by WP:ICANTHEARYOU.I m not tagging Sajaypal coz. in past he saw it as Wikibullying and i don't want to violate the policies.Heba Aisha (talk) 09:28, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

When a moderated discussion takes place, people will naturally re-raise the issues that couldn't get settled in the previous discussion. There is nothing wrong with that.

The reason the discussion takes long is that almost all of you are newish users, who are yet to gain expertise on how to narrow differences and arrive at consensus quickly. Many of you are also using mobile devices which have limited capabilities and promote a "social media" style of interaction, which is not productive for Wikipedia content debates.

I am not here to enforce policies on conduct. But if egregious misconduct occurs, I will be happy to report to the admins. So far the only misconduct that is occurring is that of mutual recriminations flying about in the midst of content discussion. So please refrain from doing that. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I m extremely sorry Kautilya3 if you find my request offensive.I m just trying to bring it to u that same things are repeated again and again and we have already explained those stuffs earlier.Also recriminations as you mentioned is not Persistent since the talk begun, from my side i tried a lot to help Sajaypal007 in other articles by correcting citation, placing it in proper format as for example in Lakha Singh and i also recognised his edits in Battle of Maonda and Mandholi from where the dispute started.Heba Aisha (talk) 10:42, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Hope u are fine....you were not here for a long time.?? Heba Aisha (talk) 15:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Heba Aisha, Hope you are doing well. I am fine. LukeEmily (talk) 20:04, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Vairagya Shatakam of Bhartrhari moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Vairagya Shatakam of Bhartrhari, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Loksmythe (talk) 13:19, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I will. Thank you Loksmythe. LukeEmily (talk) 13:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Do you have enough content to not keep this article a stub forever??Heba Aisha (talk) 14:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Heba Aisha, yes, I have the book and the translation. I was thinking of putting a one line summary for each verse.What is stub vs article?LukeEmily (talk) 17:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

stub i think are those article which are started by someone but they fail to write more due to various reasons.And it appears like just one or two para definition of the topic.See i have also created 3 new article but they are expanded and i will expand further.Heba Aisha (talk) 00:54, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Editing the archive

Hello LukeEmily. Nobody is likely to notice your edit to the archive, complaining about bad edits by User:Jaggi9988. ("User:Jaggi9988 keeps adding unsourced material despite requesting him not to do so on Maratha and Maratha caste related pages"). It would be better for you to notify User:Ymblanter directly of your concerns. He is the admin who responded to the ANI originally on 31 August. EdJohnston (talk) 17:27, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks EdJohnston and User:Ymblanter LukeEmily (talk) 19:05, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

No problem, pls let me know if they continue after the block has expired--Ymblanter (talk) 19:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Unreliable sources

Hi Aydin Aghdashloo page has a source that has been removed from a beta gram Also there are several updates that are missing from him page including his recent works, many letters of support that he has received from his students,... How can the page be unlocked so can be edited accordingly? Thank you! Mahshidboz (talk) 14:23, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mahshidboz, I do not know anything about Aydin Aghdashloo. I think you need to propose your changes on the talk page of that article - please see Wikipedia:Protection_policy#extended. Also, you may want to discuss with User:GeneralNotability Thanks, LukeEmily (talk) 15:22, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

September 2020

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1997kB, thank you for your message. My name is neither Luke nor Emily. This is not a shared account.LukeEmily (talk) 00:14, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi help

National Action Plan on Climate Change (India) I created it with caution complying with policies like WP:POV and source used are third party independent sources. But a user tagged it as promotional. It is not actually as no external commercial website etc are used and target statements are confused as promotional by him. Plz seeking ur feed back on articles talk page where i m contesting against speedy deletion. The user nominated it due to his confusion with the subject. Heba Aisha (talk) 09:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Heba Aisha, I agree with you. It is not WP:POV. I went through the sources and they look neutral. I have expressed my opinion on the talk page. LukeEmily (talk) 10:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, actually the user who put that tag seems to have less idea about the subject though i explained on his talk page but he took it in a different way.

Plz see Violence against animals in India delition pageHeba Aisha (talk) 17:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Heba Aisha, someone has changed it to redirect to another page. You can add you content there in some section. If the content becomes too big , it may be eligible for a new page. LukeEmily (talk) 09:17, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Rajput page: I have found the high quality sources from Cambridge in support of Ferishta's statement and an another comprehensive source too. If first line is removed i would like to put it as then as per first line we should put all the theories which are debating for origin.Heba Aisha (talk) 10:39, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree that the first line should summarize that big section. If you have a source for Ferishta's statement, then it can be added especially if it is academic. Wikipedia should give all sides of the academic opinion. LukeEmily (talk) 10:48, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

for the more elaborate discussion in future on the page.I would suggest you to read wiki article on Ravana Rajput...they are illegitimate progeny of the Darogis who were concubines of Rajput Rajas and they constitute 7% of Rajasthan population.Also the Rajput lifestyle section itself mention that they used to keep concubines whose sons were styled as Rajputs and there is a source too.The Cambridge source is high quality and i will put it when we will take final Descision regarding removal. Also the issue of Anandpal Singh encounter in Rajasthan is hotly debated in north india and is related to the subject.Heba Aisha (talk) 10:52, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Please be civil while on the forum: i have requested rfc on talk page of Rajput. You are advised not to reply on personal recriminations by other user and stick to content related comments.tqHeba Aisha (talk) 14:56, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Some rules of WP:Rfc

This is a list of rules i found interesting.

• An RfC should last until enough comment has been received that consensus is reached, or until it is apparent it won't be.

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Heba Aisha (talk) 06:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Heba Aisha: I realize you didn't mean to do this, but by adding a {{rfc}} template, you triggered YapperBot to alert a bunch of people to a non-existent discussion. I've gone ahead and replaced it with a template link to prevent further disruption. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 07:35, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

It also caused this. The big red error message here should have alerted you that something was amiss. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks user:I dream of horses and Redrose64Heba Aisha (talk) 11:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Another article

Expanded ur Rajputization...plz check typos or copyedits.Heba Aisha (talk) 17:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Heba Aisha, thank you for expanding the article. I think some editors might object to the old source. But anyway, other sources say the same.LukeEmily (talk) 20:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Only one source is primary and rest are good sources.primary can be used sparingly and that was used only to support ferishta statement.So justifiableHeba Aisha (talk) 00:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

List of massacres in Bihar need copyedits...cn u help to remove maintenance tag.Heba Aisha (talk) 22:45, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Heba Aisha, OK sure. I will do it this weekend. LukeEmily (talk) 22:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar for ur help

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		Thanks for cleaning up List of massacres in Bihar keep helping in future. Heba Aisha (talk) 13:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much Heba Aisha. Will be happy to help if I can whenever needed although I do not know much about Bihar.LukeEmily (talk) 22:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

26 september was the date when we started rfc on rajput about origin and the person who had problem left as he was unable to give source. But he may create disruption and game the concensus once again in future.so it will be better to ask for request for closure on WP:ANI on 26 october.As the uninvolved admin will write result based on conversation and it can be used in future for disruptive editors.Heba Aisha (talk) 00:35, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Mathematical improvement

Provide me guidance in improving some articles. I am most interested in mathematical concepts like trigonometry calculus number theory. Achaar Vichaar (talk) 15:38, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Achaar Vichaar, Some topics in Indian history are my specialty but not the above. Please refer to Help:Getting_started. LukeEmily (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

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You are welcome. Keep up the good work.

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Thank you my dear Fylindfotberserk. Wishing you a Happy Diwali and a prosperous new year too.LukeEmily (talk) 14:19, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi LukeEmily, would you kindly check this recent edit. Also pinging Мастер Шторм. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:08, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, I am looking the sources now. One source there is from Oxford University Press which is a scholarly publication. They have cited W. H. McLeod who seems fine to me. These two citations are ok. They have cited a book from Manohar publication, and I cannot really comment with certainty about this particular source. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 07:46, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Мастер Шторм. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:58, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Мастер Шторм, Fylindfotberserk, they have not provided page numbers for the first source. About the one written by Vanit Nalwa - (Manohar publication) - I am not sure of the author's qualifications although her book is referenced by many other sources. However, she is the direct descendant of the subject. Please see [1] where Susan Snow Wadley writes that Vanit Nalwa is a descendent. Is she considered neutral as per wikipedia standards? LukeEmily (talk) 18:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Why are you adding nonsense things on Rajputs page?

I am from India, there are some points I want to clarify you? 1. Rajputs are in general category considered as forward caste 2. Daroga are separate group as per caste census of 1931. They are not Rajput. They come under obc. So, you no concubine kids were accepted as Rajputs. 3. Rajputs are Kshatriya group, this is not as per bards or Charans. Some 1990s, or 2000s writers with their political agenda won't decide that. 4. Rajputs are not illiterate groups. Prithviraj learnt 14 languages as per historical biographies. Jantar Mantar ( observatory) was built by Raja Jai Singh. Do you think illiterate can build those structures. 5. I would remove your unnecessary links of Rajputization whenever I find it. Wikipedia is not your father's property. Rana of Bharat (talk) 07:53, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

My friend Luke Emily your questions on Sacred thread and dwija, yes Rajputs used to recite Vedas and wear sacred thread. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=0fmtjbaQPzMC&pg=PA64&dq=rajputs+rulers+vedas+reciting&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiV6LDylpPtAhV-yTgGHYdMDIoQuwUwAXoECAYQBw#v=onepage&q=rajputs%20rulers%20vedas%20reciting&f=false Rana of Bharat (talk) 08:10, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Rana of Bharat the articles are about Rajput community as a whole and and not about a princely state. The community contains ppl right from peasantry to ordinary small businessman who are not very much literate.Heba Aisha (talk) 09:17, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Heba Aisha- well today even Brahmins have peasantry and small businessman. We are talking about pre-independent India. I think you are confused on the community. Today a individual is entitled to do what they want to. In the Rajputs were warriors not some ordinary peasants and businessman. Yes they used to wear sacred thread and were part of the old schools. Not some illiterate as you think it to be Rana of Bharat (talk) 11:08, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Rana of Bharat , there is no "nonsense" added. let us not even compare the highly literate and elite Brahmin community with Rajputs who were mostly illiterate with some exceptions(not my personal opinion). Please note that neither Heba Aisha nor I nor anyone else add personal opinions. Wearing a sacred thread does not imply Vedic knowledge- it is a ritual. There were 120 million Rajputs in India in 1980's. There should have been millions of Rajput scholars in the 19th century even if 1/10th of them studied Vedas (and hence Sanskrit). There are plenty of scholars that say that they were mostly illiterate at least until the Raj era. It does not mean they are illiterate today. We don't have any agenda against Rajputs or anyone else, please note that wikipedia editors added "chandal like tribe" to the Jat_people page. Please note that WP:OR prohibits personal opinions to be added on wikipedia. Now , to answer your points:

1. Rajputs are not open category - in states like Karnataka , Rajputs are considered OBC. Chitpawan or Deshastha Brahmins, on the other hand, are considered an open category no matter what state they migrate to.

2. Yes, Daroga were not originally accepted as Rajputs but now they are considered part of Rajputs and called Ravana Rajputs. In fact, the Rajput Karni Sena news shows that it was a conflict between a Jat and Ravana Rajput that let to the formation of the Karni Sena. See https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/rajasthans-karni-sena-a-political-profile-padmaavat-protests-rajput-5039550/

Kalvi and Mamdoli agree the SRKS was founded following the Rajputs’ struggle with their traditional rivals, the Jats, in 2006. That year, Anandpal Singh, a Ravana Rajput and then Rajasthan’s most notorious gangster, killed Jivan Ram Godara and Harphool Ram Jat in Didwana, allegedly over control of the illicit liquor business. As Jats protested, they got support from a wide spectrum of political leaders, and the police allegedly detained any Rajput man who could be linked to Anandpal. To resist their “hounding”, SRKS was founded on September 23, 2006, with 11 declared aims, including opposing political or social malice against Rajputs and the misrepresentation of history or historical figures, and promoting Rajput unity.

3.Rajputs claim to be Khatriyas but most modern western and Indian scholars disagree. On wikipedia we use academic sources from quality universities like Oxford etc.

4. There are several citations for illiteracy. Also discussed above. Prithviraj does not represent all Rajputs and scholars say that the Rajput identity did not even exist during his time.

5. Wikipedia is neutral and all views have to be presented. None of the edits can be classified as 'nonsense'. These are not personal opinions of editors. Please see WP:RS and WP:HISTRS.

Regards,LukeEmily (talk) 18:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

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Bihari rajput

Good that you acknowledged the image added by your twin user Heba Aisha were not in accordance with the topic. Hope to see similar understanding by you in other pages too. If in case you want better image of rajputs of Bihar, I can provide ;) Anony20 (talk) 06:32, 28 November 2020 (UTC)