User talk:Mtsmallwood

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Shaver Transportation Company

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You've got a little time to add enough information to establish this company's notability, but I see you also have the same problem with Shaver himself. Best of luck. --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 23:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Infobox steamboat

You put this page in the wrong namespace. It should be Template: Infobox steamboat instead of just Infobox steamboat. I moved it for you. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 07:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Steamboats

You should talk to User:CindyBo, she likes NW steamboats too. Katr67 08:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

About show preview

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In the future, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thanks again. Katr67 20:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Steamboats

Hi Mtsmallwood, Thanks for the nice compliment on my talkpage. It's great to meet another wikipedian interested in steamboats. It is a topic that needs a lot more coverage here. I've started several articles but have really only scratched the surface in BC. Paddle steamers were such a huge part of our early history and played a larger role than many people realize, and I'm sure the same must be true for Oregon. One thing I've always found interesting is that many of our paddle steamer captains came from there, like William Irving (steamship captain) and John Bonser (steamship captain). It's hard to find the details of their early years, much of the history is already being lost, it seems. Any information you've come across to add to those articles, please feel free. Some parts of quite sketchy. What I find nice, is that the pictures are usually old enough that the aren't copyrighted and they can be used freely. Another page you might like to work on, that needs some TLC, is Riverboat. WP:Ships is also an interesting place to browse around for articles and other people with similar interests.

Anyway, I really enjoyed your articles, T.J. Potter and Wide West and look forward to talking to you again. I haven't been able to do as much on here lately, but am hoping to get back into the swing of things soon.CindyBo^talk 05:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

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Steamboats of the Columbia River

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Klipsan Beach Live Saving Station

Hey, no problem! Well, at least, very little problem. The other day somebody pointed me to the Elkman infobox generator. All I did was put in the name of the site. As for the architect, if you've got a source that says something different, I would change that, the generator isn't perfect. Good luck! Murderbike (talk) 06:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Minto

Hi Mtsmallwood, Just caught your message. I'm not aware of anything on the Minto currently. I think we're still missing lots of sternwheeler articles. Skookum1 was working on Vessels of the Lakes Route article and there is the List of ships in British Columbia that are works in progress. I think most of the BC sternwheeler articles I started or came across can be found in Category:Paddle steamers of British Columbia.CindyBo^talk 21:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Very impressed with your work on steamboats on the Columbia. I just made a few edits to Steamboats on the Columbia River, mostly just standardizing to Wikipedia style guidelines. Let me know if you have any questions, I've done a lot of work on Columbia River articles and am always happy to do more. This is really a great addition to the encyclopedia, and I hope you stick around!! -Pete (talk) 01:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Request

Do you think you could add a paragraph or two about the steamboats to the Columbia River article, maybe in the Navigation section? I'd do so myself, but I'm not sure I'm familiar enough with the history to properly hit the high points. -Pete (talk) 09:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Small observation

I suspect that the J.N. Teal was named after Joseph Nathan Teal, a Portland businessman who was a big proponent of development along the Columbia. His speeches were quoted at an exhibit I saw last spring at the Maryhill Museum. -Pete (talk) 09:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I've got a bit of to-do list for Oregon-related liberty ship namesakes, and yes, according to one of the sources I found this sounds like the same Teal. See: [1]. If I ever get around to writing about him, I'll let you know. Katr67 (talk) 05:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Washington/New Articles

I've noticed that you've done some very nice work creating and enhancing various PNW articles during the past two months. To help raise the visibility of your new articles, let me suggest that you announce them on Wikipedia:WikiProject Washington/New Articles. That way, persons with this page on their watchlist will know when you've generated new content. Thanks! Myasuda (talk) 14:27, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Another source

In case you haven't run across it, I just found an interesting chapter of Harvey W. Scott's 1891 History of Portland, on river navigation. You can access the book online here, and it's chapter XIII, beginning on p. 248. Accounts from James W. Nesmith and William Strong (Oregon judge) are recounted verbatim, and discuss many of the topics you have covered in your recent articles. Might be worth a look! -Pete (talk) 22:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Steamer Umatilla

Mr. MTsmallwood. Thanks for updating/expanding the Ilwaco RR and N page. I just placed a post to get it started, but not having the book, I had few details. A question....do you have any info on the pioneer steamer Umatilla c1860? wiki...sfsorrow2 go thru the history of Ilwaco or Blewett Wa to get the citation and leave a note, tnxs

More than one vessel was named Umatilla. There was a Umatilla steamship that was wrecked near Point Wilson on September 29, 1896. (this per McCurdy, page 9). This was the same ship that struck Umatilla Reef in 1883, and was abandoned by her crew, but later salvaged by Captain John A. "Dynamite Johnny" O'Brien. (See McCurdy at 20). Newell and Williamson in Pacific Coastal Liners report that this ship was built in Chester, PA in 1881.Mtsmallwood (talk) 22:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No this is a sternwheeler c 1860. There was a sea going liner with the same name and one that Jack London travelled on. Not the same vessel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.199.158 (talk) 05:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Style guide & image thumbnails

You might want to review Wikipedia:MOS#Images. This is the reason why I've taken out the thumbnail size overrides from Ilwaco Railway and Navigation Company. Brianhe (talk) 02:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Everett Massacre

Hey, I presume you're the anon IP that added/changed a bunch of stuff, and it looks a lot better. Good job! Murderbike (talk) 01:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Does somebody care if you don't login? Murderbike (talk) 01:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

not that I'm aware.Mtsmallwood (talk) 02:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, i'm not real good with template code, but the Mosquito Fleet template (which is REALLY good) looks really huge in this article, do ya think we could hide it? Murderbike (talk) 18:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Lyle Zapato

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Article from 1896

THE INLAND EMPIRE NEEDS; PLANS FOR MAKING THE COLUMBIA RIVER NAVIGABLE. The Canal and Locks at the Cascades Already Opened -- The Dalles of the River an Obstacle. December 6, 1896 New York Times. Also this link: [2] Enjoy! -Pete (talk) 06:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Cascade Locks and Canal

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Speedy deletion of Steamboats on Cowlitz River

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multiple consecutive edits

Hi Mtsmallwood, Thank you for all your hard work on Steamboats of the Oregon Coast. You received a message awhile back you seem to have overlooked—or not heeded—about using the preview function instead of saving edits. The way you're doing it creates extra work for us who watch articles changes, and creates needless extra database entries. We'd all appreciate if you could condense your series of edits into one larger edit. (Of course we understand the need to do an immediate minor edit to fix overlooked typos.) The "show preview" function should suffice for checking that everything works as intended. The boilerplate wikipedia warning is:

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In the future, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thank you.

Thanks. —EncMstr 04:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

(response also left on sender's user talk page) I assume you're talking about Steamboats of the Coquille River, a new page which IMHO is a fine little article. It has images, sources, and no OR. It has a navbox which I created myself. It takes me a bit of work to make an article look good on the screen, probably because of my own lack of skill I guess. But every edit I made to it was fully described in the edit summary. I was deliberate in doing that so that people could more easily track the edits if they wanted to. After doing all that, the first comment I get on the article was yours, and you don't contribute anything to the substance of the article or even say anything about the substance but mention only the number of the edits. I've seen many articles with more edits and less detail in the edit summary. Mtsmallwood (talk) 15:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Just this regarding your response to EncMstr: WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, and on the last point you make WP:OTHERSTUFF. Experienced editors have no problem tracking edits using the page history and the consensus is to use the show preview button on edits to ensure an article looks good on the screen, and combine the small edits where possible to reduce strain on the servers/database. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) As indicated above, Steamboats of the Oregon Coast was my primary example, but all your contributions show the same pattern. Your edit summaries are excellent, as is all your work. My point is merely that you may achieve the same effect (to see what an edit looks like) by pressing "show preview" instead of "save page". Try it! My purpose in bringing it to your attention is that you might not have understood how lots of edits merely minutes apart affects watchlists, recent changes, and page history. You're already doing A work. I'd give you an A+ if you did it in fewer edits. Thanks. —EncMstr 19:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

okay, pax, will try to use fewer edits (have been using preview button however.)Mtsmallwood (talk) 21:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Pea Island Life-Saving Station

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Image copyright problem with Image:Sternwheeler Portland, under Burnside Bridge, 1995.jpg

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Puget Sound Mosquito Fleet

Just a quick note of thanks for your article Puget Sound Mosquito Fleet. I've lived here all my life, and heard about the Mosquito Fleet in passing, but didn't know nearly as much about it as I do now. A regular run from Seattle to Hoodsport? Who'da thunk it? Nice work. Travisl (talk) 22:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

More cool info; thanks. I think I've seen (and walked on) some of the remnants of the Mosquito Fleet docks when I was geocaching in Olympia and Gig Harbor. I may be mistaken, but I think I also remember one near Brownsville, Washington. Travisl (talk) 17:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Commercial vs. military coding for ship infoboxes

Just a quick FYI: I noticed on some of the ship articles, such as Athlon (steamboat) and a couple of others, that you appear to be using the warship coding for the infobox. The documentation at {{Infobox_Ship_Begin/doc}} provides information for commercial vessels as well, which is slightly different. One of the biggest differences being that the flag and country information goes into the "Ship registry" field, instead of being prominent at the top of the section. The reasoning for this difference is that warships actually belong to the country (so the country name and flag are prominent), while for commercial vessels, they usually belong to a company so the flag is a less prominent form of identification. There are some other minor differences between the fields used by the commercial vs. warship coding as well. Some examples of commercial ships to look at would be the M/V Hiyu, the M/V Rhododendron, or the MS Westerdam. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Ships

WikiProject Ships Hello Mtsmallwood! I noticed your contributions to a ship article, and thought you might be interested in WikiProject Ships, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of ships of all kinds. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! - Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Question

What do you, or your sources, know about Ben Holladay? The article and several sources say he had a lot of involvement with steamboats, but no details! Also, I just noticed you've never been invited to join WikiProject Oregon! What an oversight. Please take a look and consider joining, we've got a good group and could use your insights and diligent research! (Look on the talk page too, especially at the stuff about the press release; I mentioned your contributions to the steam boat history. Hope that's OK!) -Pete (talk) 02:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)