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Mythical edits

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daanschr (talk • contribs) 15:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

Sorry for the large map.

Lyubavichi was Polish in the 18th century. It is in the green area west of Smolensk on the other side of the black line. The small green area west of Smolensk with Witebsk in it was occupied by Russia in 1772.

Chernobyl is in the white area (Poland), north-west of Kijów (Kyiv), on the west-bank of the Dnepr. It became Russian in 1793.

Karlin is in the red area (Lithuania, part of Poland). It became Russian in either 1793 or 1795.

Skvira is in the white area (Poland), very near to the Russian border. It became Russian in 1793.--Daanschr 17:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Why on earth is it of interest that Lyubavichi was in Poland in 1772? No doubt it was in some other countries before that. The Mitler Rebbe moved to Lyubavichi in 1796, by which time it was Russia.

Karlin was indeed in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, but Karliners always refer to it as being in Lithuania (not Poland), which is factually correct.

The Skverer dynasty (of Skvira) dates from 1840, by which time Poland was no longer a memory.

To tell you the truth, I am not at all convinced that the List of hasidic dynasties needs to include a history lesson at all; surely the right place for that is on the individual pages. But, if we are going to include historical countries, they should be relevant to the start date of the dynasty.

Thanks for the map though. What date is it from? --Redaktor 20:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I was just being bored, so i edited another article. I didn't know exactly when the dynasties started. The map is made by Wikipedians, i don't know when. It refers to the first partition of Poland in 1772.--Daanschr 11:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Could you have a look at these articles and their talk?

I see you're interested in wikiproject Judaism. Could you have a look at these articles and their talk?

• Jewish reactions to intelligent design
• Jewish opposition to evolution

I feel the articles are extremely well sourced and balanced. I'd like somebody else to remove the tags. Please look at my last versions, because I have run up against somebody from the evolution/creation universe who wants to pick a fight. --Metzenberg 04:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the tags should stay. Both articles seem to be a random collection of items, and by no means encylopedic. For example, in Jewish reactions to intelligent design the section headed 'Orthodox Jewry' is by no means representative. In fact it is an extract from a newpaper report about a single conference. For the first account of an Intelligent Designer you will need to go much further back than Thomas Aquinas. See Medrash Rabo (Lech Lecho) about the Patriarch Abraham. Sorry I cannot be of help.--Redaktor 10:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Reedy Bot

I just noticed your post at User talk:IZAK regarding Reedy Bot's recent edits. I just want to point out that this is an issue that is being dealt with, specifically at User talk:Reedy Boy. An administrator, User:El C, has corrected most of the bot's mistakes (manually!) and the rest of the inappropriate tags probably have to do with poor categorization, since it specifically tags articles in categories that ostensibly relate to Israel.--DLand^TALK 22:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I am afraid I missed that. --Redaktor 22:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Reedy Bot

Hi Redaktor: Please note that I am not an admin so that if you have a serious problem that requires admin intervention may I suggest you contact these who are admins, such as: User:Jayjg; User:TShilo12; User:SlimVirgin; User:Humus sapiens; and User:Jfdwolff as, in addition to their technical expertise and familiarity with Wikipedia policies, they also have a strong interest and knowledge of Jewish topics. Best wishes, IZAK 02:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I saw that you edited the Kabbalah article

I saw that you edited the Kabbalah article; you are invited to join my new Wikipedia: WikiProject Kabbalah. It is in great need of your assistance. Lighthead 23:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Hebrew alphabet

Hi, since I see you know Yiddish, would you add in Hebrew alphabet, what sound does װ ױ ײ these make, are they called anything? Right now they're just a footnote in Hebrew alphabet. I can't say I remember. And how about ayin in Yiddish pronunciation, an ah sound, I seam to see it in yiddish names and text where it is that. There's nothing here on Yiddish pronunciation or the extra letters. (other then Ashk. pronucation) Epson291 08:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I found what I was looking for, it would seem, Yiddish orthography covers this. Epson291 14:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Created Rabbi Chanoch Dov Padwa, thought you might be interested Lostvelt 13:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Very nice article, Lostvelt. Many thanks. --Redaktor 17:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

--Redaktor 07:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Sanhedrin

Please take a look here: Talk:Modern attempts to revive the Sanhedrin. I would appreciate it if you could join in to convince this Historian2 guy that there are no Ashkenazi Chareidi rabbonim who permit going on Har Habayis. --Bear and Dragon 11:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I have seen it. That is what the article currently says. If anyone tries to change it I shall edit accordingly. --Redaktor 11:55, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

He will change it. This guy is set out to convince the entire world that all of us support this "Sanhedrin" and that all of us support going on Har Habayis, destroying the Al-Aqsa and Dome of the Rock, and building the Beis Hamikdosh hashlishi with out own hands. Don't ask me why, but he is totally obsessed with censoring away any opposition to this "Sanhedrin" joke. --Bear and Dragon 12:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Do pleae stop by on the talk page there to give your view on things. --Bear and Dragon 13:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Wanna help me?

Would you be willing to help me make Template: Brisker Family Tree more complete? I don't know how to write in the wiki-family tree code, but I do know about the family. --רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 20:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I suppose I could have a go! What family info do you have?

Ok here is goes. I'm just going to write things that should be added/changed from the current template's family tree:

The wife of Rav Moshe Soloveitchik was Peshka Feinstein (1880-1967) who was the daughter of Rabbi Elya (Eliyahu) Feinstein of Pruzhan (1842-1929). Rabbi Elya Feinstein was the brother-in-law of Rabbi Dovid Feinstein who was the father of Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. Rabbi Dovid Feinstein was also the father of Rabbi Avraham Yitzchok Feinstein who was the father of Rabbi Yechiel Michel Feinstein who was the son-in-law of the Brisker Rov through the Rov's daughter, Lifsha. Rav Yechiel Michel has a son, Rabbi Dovid Feinstein who is a Rosh Yeshiva in Eretz Yisroel, and a son-in-law, Rav Tzvi Kaplan who is also a Rosh Yeshiva in Eretz Yisroel. Other children of the Brisker Rov include Reb Rephoel Soloveitchik and Rav Meir Soloveitchik. Rav Meshullam Dovid has a son named Rav Velvol (Yitzchok Zev) who is a Rosh Yeshiva in Eretz Yisroel.

The son of Shulamit Soloveitchik-Meiselman is Rabbi Moshe Meiselman who is the son-in-law of the Ziditshoiver Rebbe.

Rabbi Aharon Solovetchik has sons who are Rabbis named Moshe, Eliyahu, Yosef, and Chaim. Rabbi Eliyahu Soloveitchik has a son named Rabbi Meir Yaakov Soloveitchik.

Dr. Isadore Twersky's sons include Rabbi Moshe Twersky and Rabbi Mayer Twersky.

Lifsha was also the name of the wife of Reb Chaim Brisker who was the daughter of Rabbi Refael Shapiro and she was also the granddaughter of the Netziv. A grandson of Rabbi Refael Shapiro was the late Rabbi Moshe Shmuel Shapiro (hopefully a wiki article on him will be up soon). And remember, the Beis HaLevi was a descendant of Rabbi Chaim Volozhin.

Also, may I suggest that you archive your talk page because this page is getting fairly long?

Kol Tuv. רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 06:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I have expanded the tree, but it is getting quite crowded. --Redaktor 18:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

You think it's possible to get the lines and the boxes smaller on thr tree to make room for more people? רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 01:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Karaism as sect

Yes, everyone agrees that Karaism meets the sociological definition of sect. However, as became clear to me in the course of my debate (here and here) with Neria after examining definitions, the word can have other very negative meanings in other contexts. Providing the wikilink to sect may not be good enough, since a person who thinks he knows what it means, but knows only the negative meaning, will not bother to check. Later in the article, perhaps, the term can introduced if properly explained, but right off the bat in the opening doesn't seem the best way to go about it. nadav 00:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

"Movement", though less specific, is the term Lawrence Schiffman uses for the Karaites in his influential textbook From Text to Tradition. nadav 00:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

However, that ignores the fact that the vast majority of Jews do not recognize Karaism as a Jewish movement. Both the Jewish Encyclopedia and Britannica call Karaism a sect. Wikipedia cannot be expected to cater for people who don't know what the words mean and cannot be botherd to follow a link.--Redaktor 06:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

If you like, you can make "movement of Judaism" into just "movement" or "movement derived from Judaims" or some such. Keep the wikilink to Jewish denominations though, since it discusses other sects such as Essenes and Samaritans. nadav 13:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Immanuel

Yes, the article is related to Immanuel, but the website is not. It is called Dei'ah veDibur - Information & Insignt. I fail to see how that is related, and how it is an authority on this spelling. Using this site as the sole authority directly violates WP:RS. It should also be noted that this website uses religious Ashkenazi Hebrew (example from article: kehilloh, instead of kehila), which is completely different from the pronounciation of standard Israeli Hebrew - meaning the site should definitely not be used to determine the transliteration of Israeli place names.

Secondly, there are many official and semi-official sources which use the spelling Immanuel. A prime example is the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics ([1]). Ha'aretz also uses this spelling (can't find a link at the moment since their articles are not archives online). Some others spell it Emmanuel,[2] but never Emanuel.

Thirdly, the name of the town is taken from the Bible, namely, Isaiah 7:14, which mentions this name. In most English versions of the Bible, including the authorative King James Bible ([3]), the name is spelt Immanuel.

Fourthly, the name in Hebrew is עִמָּנוּאֵל. Look at the first letter, it has a hirik. That's an I, not an E.

-- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 12:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The transliteration from Hebrew is not very relevant; nor is the spelling of an eponymous Biblical person in the King James bible. What is more relevant is that people should be able to recognise the name. I am happy to accept your compromise using the spelling of the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs.--Redaktor 13:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I am willing to compromise, however, I do not agree with your reasoning. It's true that Wikipedia policy dictates that the name should be the most recognizable to English-speakers (WP:NC), however, Immanuel is a fairly small and insignificant town, so there's nothing to recognize. There are some articles which use incorrect transliteration because it is not recognizable, but those are major and/or historically significant - Beersheba, Nazareth, Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Tiberias, etc. For other places, a transliteration should be used, unless it is completely unrecognizable (see also the ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Hebrew), which for a while now has aimed to establish such a standard). -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 14:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The town Emanuel is not at all insignificant to religious Jews, who read about it in the English-language press. I had difficulty finding the article becasue of its unexpected spelling. Transliteration is not the only arbiter.--Redaktor 14:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this is often a problem with Hebrew place names. Therefore we must create as many relevant redirects as possible. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 14:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Brisker Family Tree/the Brisker Rov

Hey, Redaktor- we seem to be crossing paths recently.

On the page template:Brisker Family Tree, the reason I removed the title "Brisker Rov" from Reb Velvel's box is that I have heard both the Beis Halevi and Reb Chaim referred to by that title as well. My concern is that it is not a distinctive enough title to be used only for Rav Velvel and not the others. I really don't know, but perhaps you do. Please take this into consideration. Shavua Tov! --Eliyak T·C 03:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying. Of course, you are perfectly correct when you say that both the Beis Haleivi and Reb Chaim were, in their time, the Brisker Rov. Nevertheless (although this is confusing to the uninitiated) current usage in the Brisker community, and in the wider yeshiva community, is to use the expression 'Brisker Rov' exclusively for Reb Velvel; his predecessors are known by the names emboldened above.--Redaktor 06:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Isru Chagh

You'll have to argue your view on the Shemini Atzereth article first, which states quite clearly that Shemini Atzereth is 2 days bachu"l, which means that the 2nd day of Shemini Atzereth coincides with Simchath Torah bachu"l, just as the only day of 8 Atz. coincides with ש"ת ba'aretz. If you want to make a further clarification that argues that the "2nd day of 8 Atz." (bachu"l) does not in fact, coincide with ש"ת, go for it, but the place for it is not by making unqualified edits to Isru Chagh... The only way 8 Atz. cannot be related to Isru Chagh is if you're right everywhere, but according to the 8 Atzereth article, you're not right anywhere.

The relevance of practice in ha'aretz should take precedence anyways, especially here, since the original purpose of Isru Chagh only had meaning in the Beth haMiqdash...which, if memory serves, only ever existed in Jlem. If you have a reliable source indicating that Shemini Atzereth is unrelated to Isru Chagh, please bring it, and then I'll be content to stand by while you add it to the article. Tomer^talk 22:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I amn afraid that you are ill-informed. The ninth day of Sukkot (in chuts lo-oretz) is never called Shmini Atseret (for the obvious reason that Shmini means 8th). Read the Shmini Atzeret article carefully — it says that it is observed for a second day, called Simchat Torah. Thus the last day of the Sukkot festival is called Simchat Torah everywhere and my statement stands. In the diaspora Shmini Atzeret is the penultimate day of festival, and the day following it is not called Isru Chag. --Redaktor 22:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

The statement that Shemini Atzereth is observed for 2 days means exactly that. That the second day is "separately referred to as" simply means that the first day is never referred to as Simchath Torah, not that Simchath Torah is not coincident with the 2nd day of Shemini Atzereth. Tomer^talk 22:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

You just made that up. Nowhere is the 9th day ever referred to as Shmini Atzeret. Relating Isru Chag to Shmini Atzeret is just plain wrong in the Diaspora.--Redaktor 22:53, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I didn't make anything up. I read the article. That's what it says. If you don't like it, reword it so it doesn't say that. Tomer^talk 22:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

1 Wikipedia articles are not WP:RS 2 I have changed the Shmini Atzeret article --Redaktor 06:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

While you're at it, find a source that supports your assertion. Tomer^talk 22:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I think not. I have made no assertion. I don't have to prove a negative. If you want to refer to the 9th day as Shmini Atzereth you need to provide a source. Best wishes --Redaktor 06:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

You have made an assertion, namely, that Shemini Atzereth is only one day bachu"l. That's not a "negative". I'm not interested in "refer[ing] to the 9th day as Shmini Atzereth"...I have not done so, nor have I claimed anyone else has. What I have said is that Shemini Atzereth is 2 days bachu"l, regardless of whether or not the 2nd day is referred to popularly as "Shemini Atzereth", the fact remains that it is what it is, regardless of what it's called. Just because everyone calls the 2nd day Simchath Torah or Simkhis Toyreh or Simkhat Torah does not make it not the 2nd day of Shemini Atzereth any more than calling the day after Hoshanah Rabah "Simchath Torah" ba'aretz makes the day "not Shemini Atzereth". If you think about it briefly, you should be able to figure this out all on your own, since Simchath Torah is not a Torah-mandated shabat/on, and so the restrictions of yom tov would not be in place if the day weren't still Shemini Atzereth. The fact that the name (2 days as the "8th Day of Assembly") seems contradictory, which you apparently feel is your view's "ace in the hole", is completely irrelevant when it comes to consideration of the topic as a matter of halakha. Tomer^talk 22:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

You have not provided a single source which refers to the 9th day as Shmini Atzeret. That is what matters here.

The halokhos of yom tov are not in the least bit dependent on the name of the yom tov. --Redaktor 22:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a point? I already said nobody calls it Shemini Atzereth, they call it Simchath Torah. While that may be all that matters here on your talk page, it is not, in fact, what matters in the article. What matters in the article is whether or not the 2nd day of Shemini Atzereth is really Shemini Atzereth, which it is, for the umpteenth time, regardless of what it's called. The fact that the halakhoth of yom tov are not dependent on the name of the day is practically a verbatim repetition of my last sentence above, to wit,

The fact that the name (2 days as the "8th Day of Assembly") seems contradictory, which you apparently feel is your view's "ace in the hole", is completely irrelevant when it comes to consideration of the topic as a matter of halakha.

I'm bemused and confused as to why you felt it necessary to repeat what I said as though it supports your view. Tomer^talk 23:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Brisker Family Tree

Hi,

Could you please add Rav Mayer Twersky as Rav Yitzhak Twersky's son. He is rather important at Yeshiva University. See the article on him. Thank you. Davidyonah 02:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for letting me know.--Redaktor 11:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

University Alliance

Please remember to check if material you're creating already exists on Wikipedia! It would have been more efficient to move Alliance of Non-Aligned Universities to the new name, rather than recreate the article, and its associated template from scratch. I have now redirected the old material to the new. — mholland (talk) 18:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes and no. I used the content of the old template, but had to edit it anyway. I thought about redirecting it, but maybe it has some historical value. Thanks, anyway.--Redaktor 18:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Hebrew to English spellings

Thank you for your kind words here. Could you please look here and here and consider adding to the discussion? --Steven J. Anderson 08:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

{DEFAULTSORT}

What does it do? Chesdovi 10:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

The parameter of DEFAULTSORT is used as the sort order for all categories, unless overridden. Thus {{DEFAULTSORT:Rosenberg, Aaron}} has the same effect as adding the parameter " |Rosenberg, Aaron " to all the categories. See for example Elimelech Szapira and check the sort order in the categories.--Redaktor 10:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Also if a rov made aliyoh, should it be just Cat:Haredi rabbis or Cat:Hardei Rabbis in Eurpoe and Cat: Haredi Rabbis In Israel? Some also spent time in USA? Chesdovi 10:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is a definite policy on this. I know some editors think it should just be Cat:Haredi rabbis if they have lived in more than one country, but personally I am not so sure. Would you like to open a disucssion on this on the WP:JUDAISM talk page and see what others have to say?--Redaktor 10:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Mezhbizh (Hasidic dynasty) at Mediation Cabal

A long-simmering editorial dispute between Klezmer (talk · contribs) and ChosidFrumBirth (talk · contribs) over how to deal with information about certain Hasidic topics has reached the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. Please see and provide any helpful input at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-29 Mezhbizh (Hasidic dynasty). Thank you, IZAK 16:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Mosheh Twersky

All of the Hespeidim for his father, Rav Yitzhak Twersky zt"l, say Mosheh, for example: http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1997/10.16/IsadoreTwerskyR.html http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/7298/edition_id/137/format/html/displaystory.html http://www.vbm-torah.org/archive/rav02.htm

If you need more, I can get them for you.Davidyonah 21:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks.--Redaktor 22:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

fixed category. why are we being British?

From my talk page:

Eliyak, what did you mean by that question?--Redaktor 21:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I meant that for some reason the category Category:Neighbourhoods of Jerusalem uses the British English spelling of "Neigbo(u)rhoods," and that surprised me, since I thought (possibly incorrectly) that Wikipedia used American English as a rule. I see now that Category:Neighborhoods is internally inconsistent on this subject. --Eliyak T·C 22:04, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

That is what I thought you meant, but you changed it to the Briitsh spelling! Anyway, Wikipedia has no preference for American English over British English.--Redaktor 22:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to the British spelling because that is where the category exists! As I did so, I took the opportunity to express my displeasure at being forced to bow to British oppression. :-) --Eliyak T·C 23:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Orthodox Judaism

Template:Orthodox Judaism has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. IZAK 08:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Redaktor, I don't know whether or not you're familiar with it, but there is already {{OrthodoxJudaism}}. Cheers, Tomer^talk 00:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is there now!--Redaktor 07:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Please respond

Hi Redaktor: It would be very helpful if you would look at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-29 Mezhbizh (Hasidic dynasty)#Summary Conclusions / Understanding and see what you make of the "understanding". Thanks so much and have a good Yom Tov. IZAK 10:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Multiple Categories

I've noticed that recently, you have been removing categories from articles on the grounds that an article should not be categorized by a category and its parent, as is set out at WP:CAT#Guidlines. I would like to point out that in many cases multiple categorization in this way is necessary and even important, as is mentioned on that page and detailed further at WP:SUBCAT. For example, you recently removed Category:Orthodox Judaism from Category:Orthodox rabbis. While it is true that Category:Orthodox rabbis is in the subcategory Category:Orthodox Jews, it also bears a much more direct relationship to Category:Orthodox Judaism, and one would expect to find it in that category. I would especially point to WP:SUBCAT#User benefit rule. --Eliyak T·C 13:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I really don't see much benefit in adding Category:Orthodox Judaism to Category:Orthodox rabbis. But if that's what you want, so be it. I am not interested in engaging in an edit war.--Redaktor 18:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Italicized Hebrew

From my talk page:

Eliyak: a shekoyach for your work on the eruv article. What we need now is a policy that romanized Hebrew words (not in common use in English) should be italicised in lower case throughout WP.--Redaktor 22:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Here you go: WP:JEW/MOS#Including Jewish and Hebrew words or terms. Although, at second glance, it doesn't say exactly what I thought it did. (It says that all Jewish terms should be italicized). --Eliyak T·C 16:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference, Eliyak. It will do as a start, but it's not very good, is it?--Redaktor 16:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Requests for mediation/Mezhbizh (Hasidic dynasty)

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Various Edits to Hasidic Dynasties

Redaktor, nice work on your most recent edits. I especially like what you did to Dynasty definition. I'm afraid of jumping in and being accused of doing something evil, but I would have made the exact same edits. The definition says "one or more" so we don't need qualifications on the other 4 items, like "usually". It either applies to the definition or it doesn't. Also, thanks for cleaning up the Mezhybizh names scattered throughout. I'm probably guilty of leaving behind more versions of the name than anyone else. Keep up the good work!--Klezmer 18:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Category:Zionist political parties in Israel

Just to let you know that parties need to be in this and either Category:Political parties in Israel or Category:Defunct political parties in Israel, as the category contains both current and old parties. Number 57 08:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. But, if you are right, how come that Category:Defunct political parties in Israel is a sub-category of Category:Political parties in Israel ?--Redaktor 08:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess because they are political parties in Israel, just defunct ones :) It does follow standard categorisation though (for instance, Category:Defunct political parties in the United Kingdom is a subcat of Category:Political parties in the United Kingdom). Number 57 11:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

mezuzah

Sorry to challenge you about this Kozo inscription on the mezuzah, but if you look at the back of the parchment you will see these words are along the top edge and do not point out where God's name is on the other side. Also, the pronunciation (if anyone knows for sure) is the way it originally appears in the article.--Gilabrand 09:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I mixed it up with where the shin-dalet-yud is put—my mistake. There is no pronunciation, since it is not a word to be read. But, for consistency, all the vovs should be rendered identically -u- (and that is indeed how we say it when want to refer to it).--Redaktor 09:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I have found it both ways on the Internet, but if you think Kuzu is correct, please go ahead and correct it - also in the heading.--Gilabrand 09:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Why do you say a mezuzah is not "hung" - that's what we always said, and it appears all over the Internet - google it and see. --Gilabrand 18:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The Internet is not definitive in halachic matters! A mezuza must be fixed at both ends; if it is merely hung it is posul (invalid) v Kitsur Shulchan Arukh 11:6 --Redaktor 18:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Jewish denominations

Please note my latest edits. I think they address your point about Conservatism. P.D. 10:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

You've done a good job there. Thanks! --Redaktor 10:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Five sins is worse than one?

What is your source for this? I have always been taught that we do not know the stringency of any one sin nor which sin is worse than another. It follows that one sin could be worse than another even if by doing it you are transgressing five verses in the torah. What is your proof that eating an insect is worse than eating pork?

Indeed, anonymous, committing five sins is worse than committing one.--Redaktor 17:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Rabbeinu

Is Daniel575, who has been banned, and whose various sock-puppets have been banned over 4 times. I just don't have the patience to write out another and another complaint. --Meshulam 23:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Open University

Hello, did you read the message that I wrote at talk:Open University? Thank you for adding some more info regarding certificates and diplomas at Open University, but I'm afraid it's not enough. I have some OU booklets and guides, so feel free to contact me if you are interested to add more, bye.--Jörgen Tehor 10:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Jörgen, my edit was in response to your request. But you are free to add as much as you like!--Redaktor 17:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Kashrut

I removed the original "five portions of Torah law" comment because no source has been supplied since January, and your addition along with it. Could you supply a source for this? Best, --Shirahadasha 02:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Redaktor 17:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Rabbeinu/Daniel575

Please help me collect evidence. I have already started a complaint. --Meshulam 19:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

If I can. --Redaktor 22:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

List of English words of Russian origin

Because they are words of russian origin. `'юзырь:mikka 16:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to disagree. Mir may be a Russian word, but Mir (disambiguation) is most certainly not a Russian word.--Redaktor 17:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Ashlag

You're welcome. M0RD00R 21:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Haredi Judaism

I read the source over - it said that the chat rooms get thousands of hits per hour, not that there are actually thousands of participants. So, while it's very likely that the number of hits reflect the fact that there are thousands of people going there, it doesn't say so explicitly so technically you're right. I changed the section accordingly. Best, DLand^TALK 23:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC).

Thanks. I think what you have written now is a fair reflection of the article. --Redaktor 04:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Chanokh Heynekh HaKohen Levin

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I think such a notable student is probably notable, so I replaced the tag with a prod, giving 4 days to find further documentation. Really, what's the point in writing articles about people whose notability is not reasonably obvious without giving references? Sooner of later, they'll get deleted and the work is wasted; or people have to go around trying to rescue them? It's less work to find a reference in the first place when writing the article than to save an inadequately referenced article. At this point, there is an active search for unreferenced biographies, so please check the other ones you may have written or know about. (and, of course, there is no rule that references have to be in English, though people are happier if at least the title is translated.) DGG 00:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

You are right— I was a bit slow off the mark. Many thanks for changing the tag. I am removing it now. --Redaktor 05:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Chief Rabbis

These rabbis certainly weren't English by ethnic origin, and there is no such thing as English citizenship. There is such a thing as British citizenship, which they had. Jayjg ^(talk) 00:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

In that case the only rabbis who are English are geirim (as no other Jews can be ethnically English). So there is no point in having a category of English rabbis. I take it that you will now recategorize the 46 pages currently categorized as English rabbis (none are ethnically English). And also the 200 pages categorized as English Jews.

Alternatively you could accept the opinion of other editors that English Jews (and English rabbis) refers to neither nationality nor ethnicity. In fact there is really no such thing as English ethnicity; consider e.g. Category:English_people_by_ethnic_or_national_descent. You see, the accepted practice on WP is to describe a permanent resident of England as English. Please reconsider. --Redaktor 04:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

If English refers to neither an ethnicity or a nationality, then what is it referring to? In fact, English is an ethnicity, in the same way that Scottish, Irish, and Welsh are. Are there categories for Scottish, Irish, and Welsh rabbis? Jayjg ^(talk) 17:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess it means that England is their region of upbringing long-term domicile.. this usage seems pretty normal to me, although it depends on the context, and unfortunately a category title doesn't really provide a context.. Zargulon 22:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

There are no categories yet for Welsh, Scottish or Irish rabbis, presumably because no one has written any WP articles about them yet. Would you like to start, Jayjg? The early chief rabbis were not British, so they would not qualify as British rabbis. In any event, WP articles do not usually give a clue as to the subject's natiionality so it cannot be used as a basis for categorization. In fact there are no articles in Category:British rabbis and a maximum of two subcategories. To my mind that makes Category:British rabbis redundant and a target for deletion. Note that Category:English Jews is a sub-category of the very large Category:English people by ethnic or national descent. I am inlcined to go along with Zargulon and categorize on brthplace and domicile, both of which can be determined from the article. --Redaktor 22:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Fine. Jayjg ^(talk) 22:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, there are indeed articles about Irish rabbis; see, for example Category:Chief_rabbis_of_Ireland. Jayjg ^(talk) 22:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah! I missed that, thanks. Makes my point, by the way (with all the Chief Rabbis being "Irish Jews", although they are no more Irish than I am. Actually Category:Irish rabbis is redundant (since all it contains is one other category).--Redaktor 10:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Wikipedia: Stub types for deletion

Yes, apologies are called for - I'm sorry. I've no idea how I confused two different editors names there. Grutness...wha? 10:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Hi Redaktor - it seems we've been working on similar sets of Judaism-related articles, but I don't think we've made an acquintance. Good work, anyway, especially on the harder-to-source Hasidism articles. Are you based in the UK? It seems you haven't activated your Wikipedia email function. JFW | T@lk 20:51, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

As you surmise correctly, I am based in England. Thanks for notifying me that my email function was switched off. (I don't really know how and when that happened.) Fixed now --Redaktor 21:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Yekusiel Yehuda Teitelbaum is now a disambig. Good luck in fixing all the articles linking there! JFW | T@lk 21:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I have done them now, except for Talk pages, which maybe I shouldn't alter. --Redaktor 22:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Ruzhin (Hasidic dynasty)

Is this really a dynasty? The article says all his 6 sons started their own dynasty's. Surely this should be merged with Yisroel Friedman? Chesdovi 16:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Ruzhin is the dynasty to beat all dynasties. The descendants of all the six sons identify as Ruzhin; the six sons really started sub-dynasties. The yichus sforim all cover Ruzhin a single whole. I shall try to find a form of words which makes the article hang together better. --Redaktor 19:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Narol (Hasidic dynasty)

You are doing a great job. I would like to make you aware of a few things regarding the Narol dynasty. 1) I think that Reb CM"Y had another son who perished in the holacaust. 2) I think that Rabbi Berish the father of RM"Y wasn't a Rebbe but he passed away while his father was still alive. 3) Did Reb CM"Y become Naroller Rebbe in 1925 while his grandfather was still alive? Should we change it to 1927? Itzse 19:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I have made the changes. Feel free to update if you can find out any more about Narol. --Redaktor 22:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It is known that he lost a daughter in the Holocaust. I assume it was Malka; and edited accordingly. Itzse 23:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The Jewish Star of Jealousy

The Jewish Star of Jealousy This award is to recognize your great contribution to the world of Judaism within Wikipedia. May HaShem bless you with the opportunity to follow in the footsteps of the great Jewish Wikipedian forefathers, Crazrussian, IZAK, andUser:Nesher. I'm jealous of your ability to contribute so productively and really make wikipedia a better source for research and information.--05:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)רח"ק

Nadvorna Cleanup

		The Special Barnstar
		Great Job CLeaning up Nadvorna! JJ211219 07:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

how do I make the geaneology setup much cleaner?

take a look at the tree on Bobov.

how hard is that to do on Nadvorna? Tried to google for the info but didnt have much success.

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JJ211219 07:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Yekusiel Yehuda Teitelbaum

take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yekusiel_Yehuda_Teitelbaum

i've made some changes-thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dynastic (talk • contribs)

Gil Locks

I know that the article i posted looks like i'm self promoting (im not him)- just having trouble creating a cohesive article on this man. (Met him at the kotel- bought his book... heavy...)

unless there is an article about him on wikipedia already under a different name?

Gil Locks

and thanks for the welcome. aleichem sholom!Dynastic 21:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

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tried to do a hangon tag, but it looks like it was already deleted. I put in a request- once the article gets stubbed ill try to add in details as much as i can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Social_sciences_and_philosophy#Judaism

Dynastic 03:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks for fixing my error in Hatzor Haglelit so quietly! :)Dynastic 01:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

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this might interest you

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Messianic Jews and Hebrew Christians --Yeshivish 06:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Steve Greenberg

Unfortunately he was ordained by RIETS long before he announced his homosexuality and wrote his book. So while I (personally) would not call him a rabbi who is Orthodox, he technically is an "Orthodox rabbi."--DLand^TALK 14:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

This is incorrect. There are many people who have semicha. That does not make them rabbis, Orthodox or otherwise. The term 'Orthodox rabbi' means someone who practises as such (i.e. someone who serves as the rabbi of a community or as teacher is a yeshiva etc.). There is no evidence that he fills any of these roles. --Redaktor 14:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Your argument doesn't make sense to me. The whole point of semicha is to make the bearer a rabbi - that's the definition of modern-day semicha. And Orthodox semicha makes the bearer an Orthodox rabbi. Otherwise semicha is meaningless, which (not halakhically speaking) it is not. Look, I agree that it makes for a ridiculous situation with Greenberg, but those are the facts.--DLand^TALK 15:52, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Lots of people have semicha but aren't practising rabbis. The point of semicha is not to make someone a rabbi, but to authorise him to be able to accept a position as a rabbi. There is an important distinction here, as I am sure you'll agree. Not everyone with a surveying degree is a surveyor, nor is everyone with a law degree a lawyer. --Redaktor 16:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

But everyone with a medical degree is a doctor. I think that's the more accurate analogy.--DLand^TALK 02:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

We can agree to differ. --Redaktor 07:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Jews under Muslim rule

Please stop putting this section on this artice. This section is located at "Arab Jews" article. Nochi 11:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Rav Greenspan, Eitz Chaim et al

Hi, I just wrote this article - Rabbi Nachman Shlomo Greenspan, thought you might like to read it/review it, it's perhaps slightly in your area of interest. Many thanks, Lostvelt 14:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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Liske (Hasidic dynasty)

I have come across the town of Olaszliszka which is basically an article on Liske (Hasidic dynasty). I think the info should be moved so that the Olaszliszka page talks about the town itself with only a reference to the Jewish pop. and history. Thanks for merging Kretshnif (Hasidic dynasty), do you want some extra work?!! Chesdovi 09:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have made a start on Liske (Hasidic dynasty). As you say, the relevant bits of Olaszliszka should be moved, and the rest tidied up. --Redaktor 22:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeshayah Steiner

The Yeshayah Steiner article states that he founded the Kerestier Hasidic dynasty. Should it be categorised as a Hasidic dynasty and added to the nav box? Or does it deserve it own Kerestier (Hasidic dynasty) page? Chesdovi 09:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I have started the Kerestir (Hasidic dynasty) page and partially tidied up Yeshayah Steiner. Please make your own contribution to these pages.--Redaktor 22:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)