User talk:SPECIFICO

Deflation

Hi Specifico,

I understand and appreciate that you undid my edit on Deflation in Japan - I went off-topic and was too polemic.

However, I see the results in Japan: LONG-TERM persuance of anti-deflationary measures (i.e. propping up prices) in a SYSTEMICALLY, i.e. demographically driven, shrinking market (as opposed to temporary upset) preferently supports today's asset-rich and hurts the asset-poor, whilst being funded by an ever rising national debt that is shouldered by all. This only postpones repayment of todays debts into a further deflated future. Surely, this is not in the interest of competitiveness, a properly functioning market and can only increase wealth inequality and asset concentration?

I wonder whether these important broad consequences could be more explicitly stated in Wikipedia for someone like myself who does not have an economics degree. What edit would you propose?

Greetings, Thomas

Alliance for Securing Democracy Edit

Hello. I made the edit adding democrat before Laura Rosenberger's name because I think it is important to note that since it is proclaimed earlier in the text that the group is bipartisan that it is led by a democrat just for transparency. People make decisions based off their politically ideology so it is important to note. "Do you think women only get hired to stuff partisan agendas?" I don't understand why you immediately jump to the conclusion that I am sexist but that is a pretty bold claim. It doesn't matter if If it was a republican man leading the group I think it should also be noted of their political affiliation. I don't think I need to find a citation describing the importance because it is important in it's own right, not because someone else says it is. It's not a "smear" as you say but a fact and I think it should be included, or take off "bipartisan" from the beginning. The leader of a so- called bipartisan group's political affiliation is important and not for sexist reasons as you claim, don't you think?

If the Washington Post can be cited, then why not the Intercept? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgarza42 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
@Thucydides411:Just to relieve your evident anguish at receiving a required 3rr warning: Well, it's a required warning and what you Americans call a heads-upper. If you experience it as "harassment" you will just give yourself an ulcer or other needless distress. Meanwhile, the constructive solution would be for you not to go barreling back into the area in which you were having difficulties and, if you do edit there, to do so in with moderation in mind. Happy trails to you.[1] SPECIFICO talk 01:05, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

@Thucydides411:

If you're unwilling to demonstrate that your satellite text is well-referenced I will file an edit-warring complaint. Please read WP:3rr This notice is in lieu of a template on your talk page. SPECIFICO talk 19:33, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Side point about "money"

Greetings. I do not want to sidetrack the dialogue we started on the "money creation talk page. I'm here only for a side point, in order not to take up space there. The point is this: You referred to "money" as a "sooo 20th century notion". I would speculate that you might want to see included under the term "money" some 21st century innovations in financial transactions such as the cryptocurrency phenomenon. Is it so? In any case, this viewpoint, whether correct or not, again, belongs in the article about "money" itself. The issue of "money" is tremendously complicated; Economics after centuries of debate does not have a single viewpoint about Money. Which goes to show two things: (A) Economics is not a science the way Math or Physics are, and (B) politics and ideology shape most viewpoints in Macroeconomics. :-) Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 09:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I have no interest at all in cryptocurrency. If you don't understand my comment you may not know how commerce is conducted and how transactions are financed. 50 years ago, M2 or M3 were "money". Today those explain a small fraction of economic activity. I reject both A and B, but those are not relevant to the task of writing this little article. Thanks for telling me the world is complicated. Who'da thunk it? SPECIFICO talk 09:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Apologies if any disrespect was implied in my comments. None was intended. As it happens, I'm an economist and have also been working in the private sector, in both domestic and int'l commerce, for more than three decades. The more I learn about the field of Economics, the more I understand how complicated it is, and, what's more, the myriad of agendas behind it! :-) But, of course, you may disagree with that viewpoint. Anyway, since your remark ("sooo 20 century", etc) was not about cryptocurrencies but actually about money aggregates, then your objections to the currently dominant definitions of the terms M1, M2, etc, and to the use of aggregates in economic and financial policy should be addressed in the respective Wikipedia text about monetary aggregates (which can be found in a section of the article on the money supply). Don't you agree? -The Gnome (talk) 10:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

And a bit on "money": Innovations in commerce financing do not necessarily translate into new forms of money. Money is something quite specific, as whatever we denote as "money" has to be a means of exchange, a store of value, and a unit of account - and these conditions must be all satisfied. A highly innovative private-sector issue might act as a means of exchange, for instance, and a store of value, but it cannot be used as a unit of account. No one has ever counted the value of a building as worth "x amount of T-bills"! The definition of "money", in operating terms (what money does), is pretty much agreed upon, in the strict sense. What we are forever sorting out is its nature and especially its effects. -The Gnome (talk) 11:06, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

You might want to take a shot at the article on Money, SPECIFICO (or anyone else for that matter). Perhaps, if we successfully attack the source of all evil :-) we can hope for the rest of the diabolical articles to fall in line easier. And I'm not asking for consensus about Money; merely, to arrive at a well presented, well sourced, widely encompassing text. Take care, all. -The Gnome (talk) 12:23, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Griffin and the use of the term "false"

Dear SPECIFICO:

I agree that Griffin's theories are conspiracy theories -- but that's not the issue. The issue is whether the source -- and the introduction to the article -- supports the use of the term "false." The intro uses the term false, but the body of the article does not.

Just based on the article, I strongly suspect that Griffin does promote FALSE theories about the Federal Reserve System. That's not the issue here. Famspear (talk) 22:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Famspear. This is something that was discussed over a period, literally, of years on talk. If you are very concerned about this, you could easily find a citation for "false" but I would hate to lose all the editor hours getting this article in shape. As you know, these banking-related articles are magnets for single purpose accounts, fringe POVs and other infestations. BTW there's been some good progress recently at Money creation. You might want to have a look when you have time. Regards. SPECIFICO talk 22:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

I know we both have put a lot of work into the bank-related articles over the years -- you probably more than I. I haven't been as active here in Wikipedia lately, but I do check on my "list" every day. Famspear (talk) 01:00, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Alliance for Securing Democracy GG section on the TP

Why did you revert my edit? I messaged you before about this exact issue and you didn't have a problem with it. Can you/allow me to restore it and please let us do this without delay as I can see that our hands are already full with other debates. Wingwraith (talk) 04:17, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Bam!

You nailed it. (My tweet) -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 19:31, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

💥💥💥💥 SPECIFICO talk 19:38, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Your latest edit

Re: Nicholas Taleb's page. We all want to make Wiki a better encyclopedia. So if I did not agree with the earlier edits, I agree with the last one. But blogs can be used as source in the middle of a debate to bring neutrality, only if the source is discussing itself, the source has published outside blogs, and the identity is verified. Best. Limit-theorem (talk) 18:43, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Those two silly newspaper articles are an insult to Prof. Taleb. We need expert RS acknowledgement of his work to document the extent to which he "predicted" elements of the financial collapse. Goofy newspaper columns by people who surely have a very superficial understanding of Taleb's work are not RS for the sort of thing the article text should be documenting. And in most folks' view, it's meaningless to attribute anything much at beyond flowers and bonbons to those two writers who can safely be considered intellectual welter-weights at best. In general, I find this article poorly sourced, too ready to accept NNT's rather epic self-promotion, and not at all incisive on the interesting points he's raise in his writings. Thanks for your visit. SPECIFICO talk 18:49, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Just a quick FYI...

I have close family members who are Mexican, and there are Muslims in my extended family so please keep that in mind. Your last remark on my TP didn't feel like your customary ribbing, it felt more like you were wearing sharpies while spurring me in the ribs. ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:19, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello Atsme my friend. Thanks for sharing that. My mistake. Actually my intention was to mock Trump's fake "maybe some are OK" throw-away line after he raises suspicions of immigrants and refugees. Like this. Anyway, please accept my apology. Your adult self-awareness and engagement are what separates you from all the other crazed POV pushers who undermine the project with whiny nonsense. You, IMO, just add, er, "the spice of life" to the proceedings here. SPECIFICO talk 21:32, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

❤️ ^{Atsme📞📧} 22:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections

Hi SPECIFICO. Since you are heavily involved in the article Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, I was hoping to get your opinion on whether or not recent edits to the lede of this article violate NPOV. My comments can be found here. Best wishes. selfworm^Talk) 18:26, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I've commented on the talk thread. Thanks for the reminder. SPECIFICO talk 19:50, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

FYI

I have posted a notice re HC at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities. – S. Rich (talk) 17:14, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Alliance for Securing Democracy

In good fun here... I'm going to intervene and cut you off for blowing by your quota at Talk:Alliance for Securing Democracy#RfC about Glenn Greenwald's criticism. No more comments for you, you've made quite enough. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:54, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

You're what? Huh? Is this the joke or am I still waiting for the joke? Whatever. @DrFleischman: Not pinging for a reply, just to close the loop. If you care to look at the history of this and other articles you'll see that the bludgeon is one or two folks who appear to have, er, Russia issues. You know, Mother Russia and like that. This has been going on since the early days of this article. Thanks for your visit. In all seriousness I am amazed that the GG fans decline to respond to the specific problems with that content. You are +/- the 10th editor to point them out. Cheers. SPECIFICO talk 21:56, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

• When you thanked me for this edit I thought you were going to weigh in at Talk:Paul Erickson? We could really use some help. Basic differences on core policies are interfering with development of the article. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 19:59, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Talk page

Specifico, I'm sorry but examining your posts to my talk page since 2016 I find the vast majority unconstructive. I have a reasonably high bar for talk page banishment but you've met it. Please do not post there again unless required to by policy, or in order to avoid what would be a certain request for sanctions against me. James J. Lambden (talk) 23:34, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorry to see you fearful of constructive feedback, but please know you are always welcome to share your thoughts here. At least you recognize the legitimacy of required warnings -- not that I expect one ever to be required, in your case. Come back any time. Thanks for your visit. SPECIFICO talk 23:55, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Angela Cappetta...again

Multiple IPs have been edit warring on Angela Cappetta including 98.116.2.234 and 98.116.139.161, as well as NoMuppetsEver. You and User:Lopifalko have both been patient and have tried to explain some of the 5 pillars but the vandalism continues. Perhaps semi-protect the page...or maybe just nom for delete as it only barely meets WP:NOTABILITY, much is non-verifiable except for WP:PRIMARY, and its not worth the WP:VANDALISM. Thoughts? Thanks.72.43.150.10 (talk) 21:30, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Actually the next steps would be Sockpuppet investigations on the 2 IDs and 2 IPs at that article and Thomas Roma or its possible an Admin such as Bbb23 would have a look and sort it out. I don't have the time to do anything further for the moment. SPECIFICO talk 21:43, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Latest IP received a time-out. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:08, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Thx. SPECIFICO talk 22:38, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks 72.43.150.10 (talk) 00:52, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

So no response from Bbb23 here, but NoMuppetsEver is continuing to edit war the Angela Cappetta article, even after the 48 hour ban. Advice? 172.58.232.219 (talk) 13:57, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for nice and reasonable comments. Unlike some other contributors, I do not spend a lot of time in the project. I can quickly come and try to fix something without giving too much thought to the previous history or whatever. That is what had happen on this page. This is also the reason I should generally avoid editing any pages that became a matter of prolonged disputes. On the other hand, based on my experience, everything can be quickly resolved if everyone is genuinely interested only in improvement of content and knows the subject. Having a prolonged dispute about something is a red flag that something else is going on on the page... My very best wishes (talk) 13:40, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree entirely. In my real life volunteer and community activities, I regularly interact with other dedicated volunteers who collaborate to sort out complex problems in a constructive work environment. WP is a great and important project. Unfortunately, when editors bring a personal agenda or when they lack the cognitive or emotional wherewithal to deal objectively with complex issues, their singular and undue zeal will overwhelm our community processes in the short run. But my experience has been that in the long run, good consensus articles emerge and prevail. SPECIFICO talk 14:02, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Shooting of Stephon Clark

@Darouet: Stop it with the personal remarks and aspersions about the undersigned on article talk pages.
SPECIFICO talk 15:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Trump health

"Baby Jesus version" - I clap my hands vigorously. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:38, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

😁 SPECIFICO talk 13:56, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Attempting to get admins to sanction somebody without telling the targeted user that you have requested admin action is generally frowned upon

Factchecker_atyourservice 03:46, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

😁 SPECIFICO talk 03:49, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Sanity check needed

Am I doing the right thing with this edit at Mexico–United States barrier? Two separate editors (at least, I think they are two separate editors) have reverted me and I just want to make sure I'm not on the wrong track. I think the questionable source (right wing anti-immigrant hate group) of Trump's data is relevant to the article. -- Scjessey (talk) 10:34, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Looked fine to me. Made a copy edit. The solar panel thing is still repeated, maybe could be improved. CIS bit is well enough sourced, and there are plenty of other sources on it. SPECIFICO talk 13:04, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

That looks good, thank you. -- Scjessey (talk) 14:24, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

BLP Warning

Hello, I'm 2A02:4780:BAD:25:FCED:1FF:FE25:109. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source, so I removed it. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! WP:BLPGROUP applies. 2A02:4780:BAD:25:FCED:1FF:FE25:109 (talk) 19:37, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

You appear to have violated the 5-revert rule, so I expect you'll be wrapping things up soon. Thanks for your visit. I love these long names. It's like British nobility of the Edwardian era. SPECIFICO talk 19:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Civility warning

Hello, I'm 2A02:4780:BAD:25:FCED:1FF:FE25:109. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. . "Bugger off" is a PA. Keep it civil. 2A02:4780:BAD:25:FCED:1FF:FE25:109 (talk) 19:38, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Bugger off again. My sentiments. SPECIFICO talk 19:39, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi, I saw you post on Phmoreno's talkpage about a related concern and similar behavior on the part of the editor. Right now he is edit-warring to add commentary from a Hannity segment into the article on Alfa-Bank. Could you put the article on your watch list, if it's not too inconveniencing, and help out? I'm going to "ping" Jzg here as well, as I saw him commenting on the user's talkpage.. GreyGoose (talk) 02:11, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

I'll look at the page. If somebody claims that Hannity videos are RS for anything, I suggest you go to RS/N, where you'll find third party support and help dealing with the problem. SPECIFICO talk 02:17, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. He now added Circa.com as a citation, which I thought might be better, but I now see it is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting, which is a mouthpiece for the Trump agenda, so I'm not even sure that should stay. For the time being I have at least re-worded the statement to make it more neutral and accurate. GreyGoose (talk) 02:47, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

My experience with that editor was that he is a do-it-yourselfer who is not very well attuned to the concept of mainstream reliable sourcing. I found a tendency to original research and use of sources only marginally connected to the subject matter they were supposed to verify. He's quite energetic, which is an unfortunate trait in such cases. The only way to deal with it is more eyes on the pages, through noticeboards, RfC's and third opinions. Otherwise you'll just get frustrated and he is not likely to care what you think. Just my opinion and experience. SPECIFICO talk 03:33, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

• Phmoreno has had the DS alert, and has been notified recently of DS issues. I will leave a reminder, if this continues then it's topic ban time. Guy (Help!) 07:58, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello again SPECIFICO and JzG. I got this message [2] on my talk page that accused me of "canvassing" in posting this thread. Was this thread "canvassing" and prohibited? If so, what would have been a better alternative? GreyGoose (talk) 07:06, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Positive Money

What the heck are you doing adding a notability tag to the Positive Money Page when it has just passed through an AfD process comfortably? Please stop your disruptive editing. Reissgo (talk) 16:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

You prefer another AFD? SPECIFICO talk 16:22, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Of course the sockpuppet was at that AfD as well. If you continue to disrupt this article pushing primary and POV content and references, it's only going to call more attention to the appearance of COI for you and the others who are pushing these "initiatives." SPECIFICO talk 18:07, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

You are the one being disruptive. Imposing your own made up standards for reliable sources. What the heck are you doing telling an editor "What is the array of independent, reliable sources written directly about this organization that you believe establishes notability beyond all doubt?"... and this is after your failed AfD attempt.

The standard of sources required is supposed to be commensurate with the claim being made. I.e. a minor uncontentious detail does not need a peer reviewed journal paper to support it. You are the one that needs to read the Wiki pages about reliable sources. Please stop undoing edits you disagree with based on your misinterpretation of Wiki policies. Reissgo (talk) 09:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

I think you're not really cut out for this kind of work. Have you considered other hobbies? Volunteer work in social services or civic improvement can be very rewarding. Have a peekie-boo at WP:COI - the one that your sockpuppet comrade enjoyed flashing at passers-by. Ciao. SPECIFICO talk 13:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Profiling Project update

Have you heard about this? Very important, hiring the right people. According to the Washington Post [3], Burkman fired Doherty in July after he talked to reporters without permission. This raises the question, what did Doherty say to reporters that Burkman didn't like? Might it be this kind of thing in that Newsweek piece from June 20th? “If this were a professional hit person, they failed,” says Doherty, the team member. “Nothing we’ve seen supports [the theory of] an assassin.” [4]. The Profiling Project web page says that they are 'once again' recruiting volunteers. Geogene (talk) 21:24, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Good catch. Profiling project flashes the brand of George Washington University, then it turns out this may mean it offered free food to grad students, etc. How does this kind of stuff get in our articles? "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia any fool can edit" ? Thanks for the note. SPECIFICO talk 22:17, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Canvassing and being canvassed

It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Murder of Seth Rich. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you.

Specifically, you used non-neutral wording "this material is obviously part of the longstanding BLP-smear conspiracy theories about Seth Rich" in your notification to another user.

Additionally, you should also take care not to allow others to canvass you to articles or discussions for the same reason. While you cannot control what people post to your user talk page, you can control what actions you take (or don't take) as a result and should recuse yourself when people may be trying to leverage your well-known viewpoints to sway such consensus processes. This is particular egregious when the topic area is post-1932 American Politics which is subject to broadly-defined discretionary sanctions and specific sanctions imposed on certain articles and users. -- Netoholic @ 02:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

No I told a trusted Admin, per my earlier warning to you on your talk page. SPECIFICO talk 02:37, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

"trusted Admin" sounds a lot like "selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you". -- Netoholic @ 02:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Deflationist?

OK, OK, so we hate each other with a passion - but putting all that aside for one moment, I am puzzled at your accusation that I am a proponent of "deflationaist" theories. Just for the record I have no desire whatever for there to be any deflation in our economy. Deflation is a bad thing. I personally would like the money supply to continually rise at such a rate that we have inflation. My favoured rate of inflation would in fact be at a higher level than the common 2% target so favoured internationally - I'd like to see something more in the 3, 4 or 5% region. So you can go on with your hobby of slinging abuse at me but please, don't call me deflationist. Reissgo (talk) 20:41, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

The purpose of this project is to build an encyclopedia. You are manifestly here for the purpose of promoting your crank political agenda. Your opinions are irrelevant to this project, but when you place your promotion of any view -- even saving the lives of innocent children -- above the purpose of Wikipedia, then you don't belong here. You should in a nutshell, cease and desist your activity here and if you wish to resume do so in a way that respects this project and the dedication of all the volunteers who share, and aspire to advance, its mission. PS nobody here cares about you one way or the other, let alone hates you. We all just wish you'd stop messing up our work here. SPECIFICO talk 20:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

I think I abide more closely to Wikipedia principles than you do. You are clearly allergic to the idea of Bold-Revert-Discuss. You misrepresent Wikipedia policies to others when you revert their edits, you do not assume good faith and you make frequent personal attacks and threats. It's no wonder you are topic-banned. Reissgo (talk) 22:27, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

I nearly never agree with you on Wikipedia, but I think in real life we could have great conversations. Here is a virtual cup of tea intended to reflect that. Mr Ernie (talk) 19:25, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Ernie. Likewise I am sure. As you know, I have an open hospitality policy on this talk page, so you can always come here to chew me out or worse when the occasion arises. SPECIFICO talk 20:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Hats

The Art of the Hat
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I don't think it was right to hat that section. Perhaps mine was a little off topic, but just meant to be humorous. Frank Bruni's career as a restaurant critic is a prominent aspect of him, heck it's early in the lead for his article. While not something he does currently, it is not incorrect. PackMecEng (talk) 16:21, 25 April 2018 (UTC) It was totally out of line in the way Atsme used it. It's like saying saxophonist Bill Clinton..., in something unrelated to music. O3000 (talk) 16:28, 25 April 2018 (UTC) I have to admit it made me giggle a little with that. Just to be clear what I wrote was not meant to be a suggestion for the article, just an attempt at humor. I still feel it can be valid criticism of his past and credentials, perhaps not an issue if he wasn't an op-ed writer but here we are. Again from his own article the important things we list about him in the lead is his od-ed writing, restaurant days, and the books about Bush he wrote in that order. I still think it was inappropriate to hat the section. PackMecEng (talk) 16:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC) You were furthering Atsme's initial deflection that an uninformed reader would take as a dismissal of Bruni's opinion and his larger journalistic contributions. I know we've come to expect as much from her sometimes, but we should not promote it. Hatting was the mildest way I could think of to resolve the problem. SPECIFICO talk 16:57, 25 April 2018 (UTC) I unhatted it and added the NYTimes link that stated he was the chief restaurant critic. I also explained what I did at the TP. I am here now to share my thoughts about the hatting - quite frankly it was wrong - we don't hat active discussions based on IDONTLIKEIT. There was no intent on my part to smear anyone - the only intent to smear can be readily found throughout the Donald Trump article if you need a refresher as to what harsh criticism looks like, or re-read the opinion piece you recently proposed for inclusion. It looks just like a smear Trump/smear Jackson opinion piece and a prediction of failure. Why do you think that information is "encyclopedic"? It's also noncompliant with NOTNEWS. If his prediction turns out to be correct, then it would be worthy of mention but right now, it's an opinion piece by a opinion columnist who is the chief restaurant critic for the NYTimes...and that is factually accurate, even though it may not cover every aspect of his work. Hey, being the "chief" must mean something. Atsme📞📧 17:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC) Actually, that's a load of lingonberries. And you're not *** enough to call Bruni a restaurant critic any more than you'd call Reagan an ignorant goofball. If you never look at the NY Times and don't know who Frank Bruni is, that's your problem. If you mislead our readers, WP is sooner or later going to consider your behavior a problem. You've been working up to it for quite a while. But maybe you've begun your sprint to the finish? Thanks for the visit. SPECIFICO talk 21:10, 25 April 2018 (UTC) Are lingonberries the same as dingleberries? Atsme📞📧 21:19, 25 April 2018 (UTC) Atsme, you should ask for a voluntary 6 month TBAN from AP2 and clear your mind. Then give it another try. I don't see any other way for you to continue in this area. SPECIFICO talk 21:24, 25 April 2018 (UTC) SPECIFICO, I would never consider asking you to take a voluntary 6 mo TBan from AP2 so you could clear your mind. You see, the major difference between you and I is that, unlike you, I don't want you to be TB because I actually do appreciate and regard your input as helpful in the highly disruptive editing environment of AP2. It is because of our different views that we inevitably reach consensus. Why is that so difficult for you to accept? If you don't want to be inconvenienced by opposing views, perhaps you should step back for a moment of personal introspective. You cannot keep dismissing your opposition in an effort to acquire an undisputed reign/rein (WP:OWN) over a topic. It simply isn't conducive to a collegial editing environment, or WP's own policy of WP:CENSORED. Atsme📞📧 22:02, 25 April 2018 (UTC) Dear Lady, I don't have any views, the different kind or the other kind. That's the secret to good editing. I don't mean to say anything personal or hurtful, but you're getting a lot of similar feedback not just from me but from all your friends here who wish you well but don't see your recent contributions going in a constructive direction. Anyway let's not get all negative. Best wishes. SPECIFICO talk 22:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC) Nope. Not true. I'm done here. My boot tops aren't high enough to wade through this stuff. Atsme📞📧 22:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Notifying

You are involved in a recently-filed request for clarification or amendment from the Arbitration Committee. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Anythingyouwant and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the Wikipedia:Arbitration guide may be of use.

Thanks, Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:16, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

"The squirrel is mother to many nuts."

There is definitely a problem with bad editors who don't know how to read sources or apply WP policy, but thankfully there are users like me who can call such editors to heel. Factchecker_atyourservice 18:00, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Statement at ARCA

Hi SPECIFICO, accusations about other editors (Anythingyouwant, who is reasonably civil and emotionally stable, is nonetheless one of the most dogged and resourceful POV pushers and disruptive presences on articles relating to American Politics. His record in this regard is well-documented in his AE history as well as in the Arbcom case in which he was banned from Abortion-related topics. ... diehard anti-abortion activists such as Anythingyouwant ... his many and persistent misdeeds on American Politics ... Anythingyouwant is a poster child for NOTHERE editing. He is a relentless POV-pushing wikilawyer, skirting penumbra of policy and the limit of the law on WP. His lack of contributions outside his narrow area of interest and his years-long disruption argue for a simple ban from WP.) require evidence in accordance with point 5 of WP:WIAPA. Please ensure that your statement conforms to all relevant standards of behavior on arbitration pages when you are next online (clerks may, in their discretion, take action over your statement before hearing from you, though I personally won't). Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 13:34, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Kevin, your comments intrigue me. As the survivor of an ArbCom case, and later vindicated, there was no such consideration at the time. Outright false and libelous statements, conspiracy theories about my supposedly highly illegal misdeeds (RICO) in real life (accusations made out of whole cloth), which included outing me, were allowed without any objection from others, or opportunity for me to counteract them. It all happened so fast that I was paralyzed. Real life enemies had created accounts and convinced a mentally ill editor to start an ArbCom case against me. (I'm not even sure if that person is still alive, or if they finally actually took their own life, as they often discussed.) It was a hellish experience. Is this some new policy where behavioral guidelines suddenly apply to such proceedings? I later also learned that BLP does not apply to editors. An editor literally gaslighted me and I was not defended. "BLP did not apply." I have been under the impression that "anything goes" in such proceedings. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 06:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

BTW, Specifico's description is pretty factual, and not a PA. It's just unpleasant testimony from a witness. I do agree that diffs should be provided. In my case they were not always required, rendering the proceedings a kangaroo court. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 06:12, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Specifico,

As there's been no reply here or editing of the text in question, upon review I have removed the section. There is no restriction on you taking part, and I do not intend to create one over this, however if you do resubmit the evidence, please consider the points raised above. Regards, Mdann52 (talk) 15:08, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Mdann52: I do not question your good faith, but you have made a rather surprising and unfortunate error here. You cite a section of NPA, but you fail to recognize that Arbcom is a place where we do discuss editor behavior. My comments were not "your mother is a rabid monkey" or "you are a lying insect" or anything like that. Indeed, I acknowledged Anythingyouwant's cordial and mature mien. My comments therefore were not personal at all, but instead presented a considered evaluation of this editors behavior. Because it was a general characterization of ten years' misconduct I did not cite individual diffs but instead listed the various Arbcom and AE venues where the detailed evidence could be found. I also acknowledged that I did not have the time at the moment to present long detailed arguments that would have rehashed evidence already on record at those locations. Subsequently, other editors did present ample documentation that followed up on my statement. As noted in the comment you deleted, I have presented similar evaluations of Anythingyouwant's behavior at AE where dozens of Admins have read them without erroneously calling them Personal Attacks. Rather than ask an Admin or Arbcom to review your deletion, I'd simply request that you undo your action and let it lie. I have no current intention of returning to that proceeding, since many other editors have subsequently picked up on my comment and affirmed its view with detailed discussion and diffs that I have neither time nor interest in this week. I hope you are able to recognize the error that you and MONGO made in this instance and that you will restore my comment and we can all move forward. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 15:24, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

^{( Buttinsky)} BR...you said, "I later also learned that BLP does not apply to editors." Where did you learn that? The reason I ask is because at WP:PA, it states the following under the section title External links For policies related to attacks against living persons in general, whether or not they edit Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, and the first sentence in WP:BLP states: Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. Last time I checked, WP editors are "living persons", unless they're not living, and that includes couch potatoes. SPECIFICO, see Wikipedia:Casting_aspersions - you decide if it supports your defense or if you need to add "evidence". ^{Atsme📞📧} 16:56, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree. I think BLP applies to editors, but I got no help. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 18:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I understand - and can even relate in some ways. ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:25, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Atsme. I believe I pointed to the AE and ARBCOM cases where there is evidence for everything I said. And this is not a fresh case where the evidence has never been adduced. It's an appeal that itself has now created even more evidence of what I referred to. WP is not a bureaucracy. Except sometimes? Thanks for your visite. SPECIFICO talk 19:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

SPECIFICO and Mdann52, here's another cute one by Anythingyouwant. After Mdann52 removed SPECIFICO's comment, Anything took it upon himself to restore just a part of it - the part of the opening sentence where SPECIFICO says Anything is "reasonably civil and emotionally stable". He then leaves it trailing off with "is nonetheless...."[5] Mdann, is it allowed for him to edit under another user's heading like that? --MelanieN (talk) 17:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Ironic. Also, I note that others have pointedly called Anythingyouwant a "liar" and although diffs are provided, Anything does not concede that they prove the validity of the tag "liar" and so they arguably could under some erroneous theory be called Personal Attacks as well. I'd also be remiss if I didn't ask Mdann52 whether he was canvassed by MONGO, after MONGO falsely accused me of a personal attack and dismissed my reply on his talk page? Moreover in light of other editors' references to my remarks (now invisible) in the ARBCA thread, the damage done by erroneously deleting my comment far outweighs any possible benefit from deleting my statement, now affirmed by many other editors. SPECIFICO talk 17:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Did not "canvass" anyone at any time. Was alerted by email to this thread since you felt free to assume bad faith of me and not ping me. That myself and at least one other editor as well as 2 arbcom clerks have opined that your remarks were personal attacks, we all must be suffering from some mass delusion or well, I dunno.--MONGO 17:43, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

MONGO hjas not been in communication with me on this matter. I've removed the partial revert, and I'm discussing with other clerks what they want to do moving forward - I think providing diffs may well be the easiest way forward however. Mdann52 (talk) 17:46, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I think it's quite clear from my pointers to prior AE and ARBCOM locations that these were not personal attacks w/o evidence. I acknowledged that. Frankly assembling the great number of diffs that would be required to conclusively "prove" my evaluation is beyond anyone's resources. That's not an operational standard. It's very clear that NPA is not breached here and I reserve whatever right I have to pursue all available remedies at my discretion. You'd be deleting 1/2 of all Arbcom posts if you applied the same standard to all of them, and that would not serve any community interest. Thanks for your note. SPECIFICO talk 17:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

fyi [6] SPECIFICO talk 19:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)