User talk:The Kingfisher

Nomination of Joey Julius for deletion

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Withdraw nom

Kingfisher, I've withdrawn my delete nomination for Joey Julius. I now believe he is notable and the article should be kept. Regards, DonFB (talk) 05:42, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

DonFB Thank you. The Kingfisher (talk) 08:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Revert

You didn't revert this edit so why did you revert mine? It's overuse of the tag:

"While an editor may add this template to any uncited passage for any reason, many editors object to what they perceive as overuse of this tag, particularly in what is known as "drive-by" tagging, which is applying the tag without attempting to address the issues at all (hit-and-run). Consider whether adding this tag in an article is the best approach before using it, and use it judiciously." - from Template:Citation needed

also, you add one or a couple and then click edit when you could go from the top of the article and do it. I don't really care to get into a debate about this but I'm not sure if you knew about the overuse of the tag. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 19:05, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Why I didn't revert another edit is irrelevant to me reverting your edit. Based on WP:IRE, and more specifically WP:CITENEED, I edited within policy by adding the temps to unsourced material.

"To ensure that all Wikipedia content is verifiable, anyone may question an uncited claim by inserting a simple tag, or by using a more comprehensive clause."

As "Jimbo Wales himself said he believed Wikipedia should focus more on the accuracy of our existing material instead of creating new material". I, too, won't debate, especially what "many editors perceive as overuse of this tag". My edits are within policy and, I believe, benefitting the project. The Kingfisher (talk) 16:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Here's some advice: quoting Jimmy doesn't give you an automatic upper hand, as he himself will tell you. You are overusing the "citation needed" tag on Cat Stevens, and this is not the way we work collaboratively here. Discuss this on talk and get consensus when you are reverted more than once. You are on the edge of edit warring - and don't bother saying that more than 24 hours passed - what you are doing is not ok. I am going to revert you again on Cat Stevens and ask you to talk about it this time, on the talk page. Experienced editors are telling you that it is an over-application of the tag - some of the places you added it are just narrative. WP:IRE was a noble venture, and as an editor here for over 10 years I am well versed in the need for improving references. But this is not the way. (And by the way, IRE is an inactive project, not a policy or even a guideline. So invoking it doesn't give carte blanche.) Tvoz/talk 06:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

You discussed a Wales quote and IRE, but nothing about WP:CITENEED. You also would have bolstered your argument regarding overuse had you left even a few citation needed templates, but you deleted them all. An editor with 10 years or 10 days has the right to add those tags. Per policy, can you please define the number of tags in an article that is acceptable and what constitutes overuse? The Kingfisher (talk) 16:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Also, there are many articles much more in need of your concern regarding citations - this one has over 150 cites and your energy might be better spent on articles that are in much worse shape. I don't object to the template, now that a more appropriate one is in place, but peppering the piece with tags is overkill. Tvoz/talk 06:15, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

@Tvoz: - he's overusing it on many pages. Racking up his edit numbers by doing it one at a time. Instead of doing all these tags, he should be spending time finding actual sources. Now that would be beneficial. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 20:53, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that's an important point - if editors spent more time looking for sources and less time tagging articles expecting someone else to do it, the encyclopedia would be in much better shape. The best approach, which I do as much as possible, is when you notice that a particular point needs sourcing - particularly when there's a quotation which always needs sourcing - first look for it yourself rather than passing it on to the next guy. I'll sometimes put in a "cite needed" tag when I'm in a rush (but I come back to it) or can't find the source and it's egregiously missing, or contradicted by other info, etc - but running around and tagging hither and yon is just annoying and disruptive, and gives the misleading impression that an article is deficient. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - you appear to be new here, and I will assume that your intention is to improve the project - but you should listen when more experienced editors weigh in, and discuss. We're all trying to create a good piece of work. Tvoz/talk 22:17, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Or major contributing editors to articles can be responsible for the RSs in those articles. With all due respect, neither you nor any editor should be the arbiter as to how other editors should devote their time to the project. The Kingfisher (talk) 16:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Frank Sinatra

Please note, and as per your edit summary, just because an edit, such as yours, does not breach policy, it doesn't mean you can add what you like. At best, your addition was trivial, uninteresting, and was badly formatted in terms of the citation. I must also mention your edit warring behaviour, too. Please familiarise yourself with this guideline where you will see that it is wrong for you to revert a revert and if you are reverted then it is up to you to discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Thank you. Cassianto^Talk 15:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Reread my summary: "no policies given to justify rv". At least your "trivial" rv I can deal with. BTW, can you please point me to the policy that states you can rv because of a "badly formatted" citation? The Kingfisher (talk) 15:57, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Reread my summary: "At best, your addition was trivial, uninteresting, and was badly formatted in terms of the citation." The fact your formatting was up the wall is a side issue. In terms of your summary: ""no policies given to justify rv", I don't get your point? Why do you think a revert cannot be justified if it conforms to policy? Of course it can. How about the elephant in the room here; the fact it was uninteresting nonsense? Cassianto^Talk 16:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

I was referring to your FIRST rv summary that was blank. If I'm not mistaken, Sinatra didn't exactly cure polio, so who he married is also "trivia" and "uninteresting nonsense" to many people. In this context, "Personal live" is the definition of trivial. The Kingfisher (talk) 18:05, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree that there are a lot of things that could be considered to be "trivial". That's why, for instance, the infobox is collapsed. Who he married is an important part of his biography, as long as it is kept brief. Where he lived in location to the other Rat Pack members, however, is not. Cassianto^Talk 18:36, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Gisele Bündchen

I have begun discussion at Talk:Gisele Bündchen#Tom Brady. Rather than edit-war, per WP:BRD please discuss your issue on the article's talk page and try to reach consensus with fellow editors. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:29, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Jew vs. Jewish

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Jewish Franzboas (talk) 18:44, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

May 2017

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Juliet Lapidos. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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user:Franzboas and I worked it out, so all is good, but thanks for the info. I'm just curious as to why your several reverts of Franzboas' edits on the same page is not considered edit warring? The Kingfisher (talk) 04:57, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

May 2017 another article

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Gisele Bündchen. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Additional note: I pointed out this very policy to you here. Now that you have two editors having noted your edit-warring and pointing it out to you, an admin will take particular notice of this fact if you continue to revert at the Bundchen article despite there being an ongoing discussion at the article's talk page that has not reached consensus for your edit. As well, I have started a Request for comment at Talk:Gisele Bündchen#Request for comment, restoring the pre-edit status quo until this issue can be resolved. If you re-insert your edit without consensus, an admin will be notified.--Tenebrae (talk) 11:41, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

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I'm familiar with BLP, thank you. With regard to which article are you posting this? The Kingfisher (talk) 19:44, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

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@Malik Shabazz: I need to point out that despite an ongoing RfC at Talk:Gisele Bündchen specifically about his edits there, The Kingfisher is continuing to make the same essential contentious edits despite no RfC consensus for them. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:43, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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May 2017

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Gisele_Bündchen. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Oh... I would, but one of your breathren admins closed the thread from further editing. More censurship. Even in the Arab-Israeli topic area, where tensions run high and editors soap for pages, I've yet to see an admin shut down a conversation. But thanks for your great feedback. Cheers. The Kingfisher (talk) 21:29, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

The closing admin did so only to avoid having to place a block on your account for your disruptive comments that are in violation of several policies: WP:NPA, WP:FORUM, and WP:CIVIL are among them. I'd be very surprised if anyone argued that the continued presence of the offending remarks on the talk page was vital to Wikipedia's mission, so I'm sure you would be well within your rights to remove them. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 14:33, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

No personal attacks, was within my right, that was kid's play compared to the I/P area. Conversation is over. The Kingfisher (talk) 07:32, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Dennis Prager

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Dennis Prager. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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If you want past consensus on the content to be reconsidered, the way to do so is comment on the article's talk page. --Ronz (talk) 22:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Jytdog (talk) 23:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#The Kingfisher reported by User:Jytdog (Result: ). You may respond there if you wish. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 23:49, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you EdJohnston. Going out of town and offline until Sunday. Will respond then. The Kingfisher (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

When you get back you can either accept a 24 hour block or a 1 week topic ban from the article (you can still use the talk page). Please let me know your choice. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:53, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Your choice? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:00, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

For what, exactly? The Kingfisher (talk) 02:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

How to best prevent future edit warring. If you use the talk page and get consensus for the edit you want to make then that's fine. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:23, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

"When proposing or supporting an action that could easily be interpreted to be punishment, ask yourself, "Will this action help make the content on Wikipedia better?" If the answer is not an unequivocal "yes" and you still end up supporting the action, you may be an adherent to the punitive model of Wikipedia. This may also mean you enjoy the perceived "power" that you get from enforcing your will through the various features (or bugs) of the Wikipedia community."

You know, I know, and everybody knows that your punishment will not help make the content on Wikipedia better, but will only embolden, as you have, those who have hijacked the Prager article and are pushing their own POV. Your disseminating punishment prior to hearing my response is further evidence. The Kingfisher (talk) 02:40, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Your response should have been added to the article's talk page where the other editors' posted. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 03:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

The Kingfisher reported by User:Jytdog (Result: TBD)

Page: Dennis Prager (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: The Kingfisher (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: -- - there are three bits here: diff December 25, adding quote by Prager defending against antisemitism; diff removing content critical of him about his views on Islam; diff 26 December adding content about support for Trump

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. diff 25 Dec again removing Islam content
2. diff 3rd Jan restoring Trump content
3. diff 4th Jan restoring quote with defense about antisemitism
4. diff 4th Jan restoring quote with defense about antisemitism
5. diff 4th Jan again

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: diff Jan 4th

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: editor made one comment at Talk:Dennis Prager back in May (contribs there) There has been extensive discussion of these sections (see archives as well)

Comments:
Article has been extensively disrupted by socks and advocacy and has been protected several times. Jytdog (talk) 23:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Jytdog is correct. The Prager article seems to be "protected" by automatic reverts by POV-pushers. The only content that is easily placed into the Prager article is quotes and information that oppose Prager's viewpoints, with very little balance, as demanded in Wikipedia WP:UNDUE. Nowhere is that clearer than how Prager was portrayed as a Trump supporter. The section simply started with one sentence: "Prager endorsed Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election." It was then followed by an entire paragraph devoted to Conor Friedersdorf's attack piece from The Atlantic:

"Trump is the quintessential embodiment of so much that Prager claims to abhor (so much that he alighted on Trump as an example of who shouldn’t be president in the past); and Trump is the antithesis of much Prager claims to value."[11] Friedersdorf noted that Prager had in 2011 said that Trump's profanity "render[ed] him unfit to be a presidential candidate, let alone president"; that he could not "trust the integrity or conscience of a man or woman who publicly humiliates his or her spouse" through adultery; that those who lie to besmirch the names of others cannot be trusted; and that "any human being with a functioning conscience or a decent heart loathes torture".[11]

Does anyone suggest that section was WP:BALANCE?

My edit simply gave important context to Prager's endorsement of Trump, that he was, in fact, Prager's 17th choice out of 17 Republican candidates. Yet Jytdog reverted me here, writing that a university newspaper is not a reliable source, and Snooganssnoogans reverted me here for the same reason. I reverted both and the edit has stuck. Maybe they realized they'd have a weak argument taking me to AN over that.

There are several inaccuracies with Jytdog's assertions:

• Jytdog wrote that I restored a quote with "defense about antisemitism". In fact, I edited a quote from a strong RS by Prager, responding to Ed Koch's quote about Prager:

Responding to Koch, Prager wrote, "Two years ago the American Jewish Press Association awarded me its Prize for Excellence in Commentary. Did they miss something that Ed Koch caught? Or does he smear people he differs with as part of his style of argumentation?

Jytdog, where exactly in that quote is there a "defense about antisemitism"?

• Jytdog's dif and comment that I removed "content critical of him [Prager] about his views on Islam" is disingenuous at best. Per WP:BLP and other problems, I removed the word "falsely" from the following sentence: "Prager falsely asserted that an oath on any book other than the Bible would be unprecedented." Falselely is a strong word unsupported by any RS. Moreover, this section is supposed to be a summary of the main article, where even there it does not use the word "falsely". Rather it states: Critics challenged Prager's claim that swearing in with a Bible is a "tradition that has been unbroken since George Washington." There simply is no RS that supports that Prager "falsely" stated this, which makes Snooganssnoogans' edit here WP:OR. With the absence of a reliable source, Snooganssnoogans' own edit summary, "the source clearly notes that others have taken an oath of office on non-bible books", proves WP:SYNTH. Yet I was reverted. In fact, Jytdog backed my assertion and correctly removed the word "falsely" in this edit. Why did Jytdog then not revert Ronz in this edit?

• Jytdog was disingenuous when s/he wrote that I was "again removing Islam content", implying an anti-Islam POV on my part. The section was already overly bloated, Snooganssnoogans's edit reverted my edit about "falsely", and s/he had grammatical mistakes.

• Jytdog was again disingenuous when s/he bloated his/her case against me by showing a dif where I was "restoring Trump content", when, Jytdog seemed to ultimately accept that edit.

A better question is why User:NeilN thinks that it is good Wikipedia policy to dispense a punishment before giving an editor time to respond? Unfortunately, there appears to be an anti-Prager WP:TAGTEAM environment in the Prager article, and it now seems emboldened by administrators. The Kingfisher (talk) 22:53, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Jytdog, please see this. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:56, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

gotcha, thanks. Jytdog (talk) 01:51, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

User:NeilN They came back and are right back at it. Very happy to take this to AE if needed but I think we can handle this here with a very long block. Jytdog (talk) 04:45, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, User:NeilN, Jytdog is at it again, disingenuous as always, insidiously and purposely not giving the facts when they learned them. I'm sure that Jytodog read my edit here, but did nothing to strikeout or clarify their proposal to you to give me a "very long block." Jytdog won't scare me from the Prager article, nor anywhere else on Wikipedia. Editors are human and, as I stated, I simply did not see the earlier edit/revert and I thought I was making the first revert. As I also wrote, had I been notified--an accepted Wiki practice--I would have immediately self-reverted. But, obviously, as Jytodog has repeatedly demonstrated, they use Gotcha editing in order to ban/block editors to the right of their opinions. Enough of Jytdog's childish antics. The Kingfisher (talk) 06:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Jytdog can recommend what he wants but I'm the one who has to justify my actions. I was still editing when I was pinged, held off to see what you were going to do, and moved on when I saw you self-reverted. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 09:12, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

The self revert was appropriate, yes, and there was no need for action following that. I have no intention to scare anyone away from anything. Be here to build an encyclopedia in this community, follow community policies, guidelines, and norms and you will have no problems; continually abuse your editing privileges to promote some POV and edit war to try to force it in, and the community will take action against you. That is how WP works. Jytdog (talk) 18:30, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Jytdog: With all due respect, your history of insidiously failing to give context and purposely leaving out facts is now public, so your condecending lesson on POV-pushing and how to work on Wikipedia falls short. It is easy for you to cry POV-editing when one comes from left of center because most Wiki editors and (more importantly) admins are left of center. Regardless, there are policies about balance, and particularly on the Dennis Prager article, you and others have shown a systemtic pattern of WP:UNDUE. Look no further than the section "Islam". The title alone is POV-pushing since even the main article is Quran oath controversy of the 110th United States Congress. It was not Prager's views about Islam, but about the oath ceremony itself. Prager even gave the same argument if one wanted to take the oath on Dianetics. What do you not understand? Even in the main article it does NOT state that Prager "made the incorrect assertion", yet that there it is in Prager's article, in what is supposed to be a small summary of the main article. Further, you have allowed inclusion about Koch's comments and deleted all of Prager's responses to Koch. How exactly do you suggest that isn't POV-pushing, edit-waring, or WP:UNDUE? Is that, in your eyes, WP:BALANCE? The Kingfisher (talk) 11:05, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

With regard to discussion of policies, NPOV does not mean "balance" - it means that we reflect what independent sources say about things. So no, going and asking "What did X have to say in response to Y?" is not what NPOV means. It does mean that we find as many high quality sources about X and see what they say about it, and reflect the weight given in them.

With regard to the specific issues about the Prager article, please discuss content at the article talk page. Jytdog (talk) 15:22, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Don't tell me where to discuss content on my talk page! The Kingfisher (talk) 17:35, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Pleaase read WP:TPG. Article content should be discussed at the article talk page. Jytdog (talk) 17:51, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Resumption of edit warring behavior

• diff adding Prager quote 11:14, 2 February 2018, no prior discussion on Talk page.
• diff 17:38, 2 February 2018, restored, with no prior discussion on talk page.

You still have used the article talk page only one time per your contribs there and that was back in May. Jytdog (talk) 17:50, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

• diff again. 18:01, 2 February 2018.

User:NeilN I think we are pretty much done here, hm? Jytdog (talk) 18:03, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Are we? One revert (in a 3RR topic area) followig new content is edit-warring? Don't use my page to make your case. If you want, report me on the 1R. The Kingfisher (talk) 18:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

February 2018

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

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Use article talk pages to discuss your changes. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Blocked for 1R on new content. Good for you. The Kingfisher (talk) 18:24, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

It's the same one paragraph you've been focused on. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:43, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

You are kidding? That was completely new content with no revert to make it! And, in a 3RR topic area. I could see had I reverted even a second time, but ONE revert??? That's BS and you know it. Zero policy backs this only Jytog's constant whinning. The Kingfisher (talk) 19:45, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

You've been constantly told to use the article talk page. What is it going to take for you to do so to build consensus after one of your changes is reverted? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:20, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

I just looked at their one diff to the article talk page, and it was this -- a misplaced ANI notice about a dispute at a different article (the archived thread at ANI is here). So they have actually never used the TP to discuss the Prager article. Jytdog (talk) 22:13, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Have you used any prior accounts on Wikipedia? nableezy - 20:23, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be against Wikipedia policy? The Kingfisher (talk) 00:19, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

It possibly would be. Have you used any prior accounts? nableezy - 03:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Is calling another editor the name of a banned editor, like here, against Wikipedia policy? The Kingfisher (talk) 05:02, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Possibly. Have you used any prior accounts? nableezy - 06:06, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate the honesty here. Really. Will talk more, with this or the next sock. nableezy - 21:51, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

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