User talk:Victor Chmara

R&I – a new approach

R&I has been protected for a breather while we try to form some consensus as to the direction. In the interim we have set up a “sandbox” at: User:Moonriddengirl/Race and intelligence/backgound. Moonriddengirl is a neutral admin who has set up the space where we can work on the text section by section; this allows us to have a talk page for the micro project. So far JJJamal, Futurebird and I have made suggested changes with additions in bold and deletions in strikeout. This section and its talk page is an experiment in trying to come together as a group on a focused area. If it works we’d like to approach Guy, the admin who has protected the page, to insert our work-product into the protected article and then take on another section. I would really like to get your feedback on this so that we can demonstrate a consensus. Thanks. --Kevin Murray 19:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

User Turkuun

Hello, I read the Finalnd article discussion area and noticed that the user Turkuun has also caused some problems in Finland article with his radical edits. We have a similar situation with the Estonia article where he is trying to restructure and rewrite the existing and approved article chapters and headings. I was wondering if you could provide some help or advice in dealing with such contributor as Turkuun is? Karabinier 00:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Aaro Olavi Pajari

What sources did you use to say he is most often referred to as "Aaro Pajari"? Most of the sources that I consulted used his full name. --Bejnar (talk) 20:19, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Pakkoruotsi

You wrote "not necessarily derogatory, sometimes used by e.g. newspapers as a purely descriptive term". I do not have good sources, so not redoing that edit, but I question using the word "as a purely descriptive term. It may be used as such by people not liking the subject, and also otherwise more or less accidentally. I do not see "somewhat charged" as a correct description.

Olisin iloinen, jos voisit hiukan selventää missä yhteyksissä sanaa käytetään neutraalisti. Avainsana tässä ehkä on "sometimes": joskus sana lipsahtaa toisissakin yhteyksissä. En koe sellaisen muuttavan sanaa neutraaliksi.

--LPfi (talk) 11:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Gardner/Multiple Intelligence

Hi there, it looks like you're involved in an edit war over a couple of articles. I found this dispute because User:ProjectZero posted Howard Gardner to WP:RPP, in what appears to be an attempt to block you (or anyone) from editing the article. Judging by the user's edit pattern, I would say that they might have a conflict of interest with the articles in question; I would suggest asking the user about it, and then taking it to WP:COI/N if it remains an issue. Also, the Howard Gardner article appears to be a textbook case of WP:COATRACK; IMO it should either be expanded to meet WP:NOTABILITY and WP:V, or AfD'd. In addition, see WP:SELFPUB #4; the article is in dire need of third party sources.

Just thought I'd let you know, since I don't feel like getting directly involved :-) Mildly Mad^T_C 17:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Race and intelligence

Hello Victor,

I notice you’ve left a few comments on the talk page for this article, and you seem like a fairly reasonable person. (Your suggestions about my proposed addition to the article were helpful, for example.) Would you mind being a bit more involved there? Mathsci has been trying to make a lot of changes to this article very quickly, as well as to related articles such as History of the race and intelligence controversy, Mainstream Science on Intelligence, and Snyderman and Rothman (study). Because of the speed that he’s been making these changes, as well as the lack of many users involved in these articles at present, not many people have had the opportunity to comment on the changes he’s making. I think changes of this magnitude deserve more attention and scrutiny than they’ve been getting, so I would appreciate your participation as an additional editor to provide feedback about them, if that’s all right with you. Is this something you’d be willing to help out with? --Captain Occam (talk) 11:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I notice you’ve recently gotten involved in a few of these articles to help make them more neutral. Thanks; I appreciate that. Lately I’ve been busy discussing Mathsci’s recent changes to the main Race and intelligence article, but please let me know if you feel like you need someone else to help you in the rest of these articles. I know from experience how taxing it can be to debate with Mathsci.

If you’re feeling overwhelmed, one other person who you can contact for help is user:David.Kane. He’s not as active here as I am, but he’s also helped make things less difficult for me when I’ve been in similar situations in the past. --Captain Occam (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

ArbCom Case

Rvcx recently filed a request for arbitration on Race and intelligence and the related articles.

You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Race_and_Intelligence and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for Arbitration;
• Wikipedia:Arbitration guide.

Thanks, Captain Occam (talk) 14:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Good edit about Bouchard--thanks.

I appreciate your nearly immediate edit of my joining discussion of two papers by Bouchard et al. into one sentence. Yes, what you wrote actually makes more clear the point of what the difference is between heritability and mutability/malleability/controllability. It's good to have a sharp-eyed editor looking after the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WeijiBaikeBianji (talk • contribs) 17:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Significance and policy relevance

Hi Victor,

You gave me some useful advice about this section of the article while I was drafting it up, so I’d appreciate it if you could participate in the current discussion about it on the article talk page. Aprock has said that sometime in the next few days he’ll have some additional suggestions about how this section can be improved, which is fine with me, but I also think there’s no reason to not include it in the article until then, and edit it in the mainspace based on his suggestions whenever he provides them. I can’t tell whether Aprock agrees with that suggestion or not, since he hasn’t answered my question about it.

Do you have an opinion about this? If so, I’d appreciate you giving your perspective about this in the discussion there. --Captain Occam (talk) 04:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

RFAR Race and intelligence

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and intelligence/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and intelligence/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 12:10, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

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Race, Evolution, and Behavior

Hi Victor,

I and a few other people are working on trying to make the article about J. P. Rushton's book Race, Evolution, and Behavior more balanced. You've provided a lot of help with this on similar articles in the past, so I was wondering whether you'd be interested in helping out on this one also.

If you are, I and one other user have made some suggestions on the talk page here about ways this article can be improved. I'd appreciate any help you can offer with this. --Captain Occam (talk) 13:46, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits on History of the race and intelligence controversy, etc.

Hi, Victor,

I made a quick comment on the talk page of "History of the race and intelligence controversy" while in the midst of complicated edits on other articles. I see discussion has ensued there. I should make clear, as perhaps was unclear from that post, that in general I am happy to see major articles that have mostly come from the keyboard of one editor get second and third looks from other editors who may have different perspectives to bring to the articles. That goes also for articles that I add the most content to at first. "Anyone can edit this page right now" is what I will assert about new contributions I post (you'll see a major rewrite of a long-unsourced article from my keyboard grow over the next few days), and I welcome your and anyone's willingness to refer to reliable sources to add V and NPOV and encyclopedic tone to articles.

I see Captain Occam has just asked your help for edits of the article on Philippe Rushton's book. Anyone might have a lot to contribute to a wide variety of articles, as long as the contributor refers to sources and ponders their place in the overall scholarly literature on the subject, in light of Wikipedia policy. It would be great to improve many articles on Wikipedia, the sooner the better, in a collaborative fashion.

I recall posting to the ArbCom case file on Race and intelligence a quotation from Arthur Jensen about James R. Flynn, followed up by a quotation by Flynn about Jensen. I consider those two scholars, who plainly disagree sharply about several factual issues, models of how to disagree without being disagreeable. Making the warranted assumption that I will not fully agree with any other editor on Wikipedia about all the issues involved in any particular article, I would like to invite you and other editors who edit the same articles to assume good faith and treat factual issues as issues to discuss calmly and rationally, and editorial issues as issues to be resolved according to what the sources say and what Wikipedia policies require. On that basis I'm willing to work with anyone here, and invite anyone to participate in editing any article.

Best wishes in checking the articles that interest you for accuracy and what seems to you to be balanced point of view. I have not taken the opportunity yet to do a line-by-line reading of any of the longer articles on Wikipedia more or less related to the topic of human intelligence (which is one of two main topics of my professional research, the other being primary mathematics pedagogy). I have been sufficiently appalled by the poor sourcing of most of the shorter articles that I have read line-by-line that I was motivated first of all to share an extensive citations list with all other Wikipedians, which I have still been expanding today and will continue to expand for quite a while. Just recently I have begun substantive edits of articles that appear to have been long neglected, not overly politically controversial, and logically related to important issues. It may be a while before I join you in editing any of the more contentious articles very much. I appreciated your fast improvement of my early edit in the lede of one of the contentious articles about Thomas Bouchard's 2009 paper. I considered that a friendly act and I hope that you and I can maintain a friendly tone of cooperation even if we don't always agree on all the issues we read about and discuss together. Now that I am personally acquainted with Bouchard, as I have been since not quite a year ago, I'll be writing to him and to many of his research colleagues to make sure I am up to date and reading the mainstream literature as I continue to ponder how to improve Wikipedia. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 22:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

edit warring on History of the race and intelligence controversy‎

You currently appear to be edit warring on History of the race and intelligence controversy‎. You seem to be making many unsourced edits with the specific intention of establishing your own preferred point of view. I invite you to engage these issues on the talk page. aprock (talk) 23:12, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

I have place a section in ANI regarding this issue [1] aprock (talk) 00:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Snyderman and Rothman

Hi Victor,

I thought you’d like to know that the changes you made in June to Snyderman and Rothman (study) are currently being challenged. I approve of the changes you made to that article, so I’m arguing in favor of them being kept, but I think discussion about these changes probably ought to also include the person who originally made them. --Captain Occam (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Have you been following the recent developments over this article? I haven’t seen much of you lately. --Captain Occam (talk) 04:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Re your comment in my user talk:

If you’re intending to take another look at the Snyderman and Rothman article, you might want to do it sometime sooner than next week. There’s currently an AFD for it, so there’s a chance that by next week it won’t be there anymore. --Captain Occam (talk) 12:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Whenever you have the chance, it would also be useful if you could take another look at the changes that Ramdrake, Mathsci and WeijiBaikeBianji made to the article earlier this month. The changes that you made in May and June are still being repeatedly undone, but David.Kane and I probably won’t be allowed to participate in this article for long enough beyond this point to be able to do anything about it ourselves. You have as good an understanding of the relevant issues as anyone, though, so I hope you’ll continue to pay attention to things like this in our absence. (And that goes for goes for all of the articles we’re going to be topic banned from, not just the Snyderman and Rothman one.) --Captain Occam (talk) 12:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and intelligence

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following is a summary of the remedies enacted:

• Standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for "race and intelligence" and all closely related articles.
• The following editors are topic-banned from race and intelligence articles, broadly construed:
  • Mathsci (by consent)
  • David.Kane
  • Captain Occam
  • Mikemikev
• Mikemikev, who was indefinitely blocked as a result of an ANI discussion during the case proceedings, is site-banned for 12 months. Until his ArbCom ban expires, he may only appeal his block to the Arbitration Committee, via the Ban Appeals Subcommittee. After 12 months, he may choose to appeal the ban to either the Arbitration Committee or to the community.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,

NW (Talk) 22:59, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Discuss this

Original Synthesis?

Hi, I'd appreciate it if you would take a look at this recent edit by Futurebird. [2] It looks a lot like original synthesis to me, but I don't think I should be reverting the article this soon after the arbitration case. Would you mind taking a look at it and seeing if it's a problem? Thanks. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 18:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)