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Water Memory

Just catching up with your comments and want to say 'hallo.' I have not read the whole discussion yet, and it is very late but I support your concerns. Jeffrey Newman 02:02, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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The TIME tag is actually quite misleading. For a fair use image to be considered "fair use" there must be a valid fair use rationale given. None was given, and the image wasn't being used for fair use purposes (please review fair use before telling me it was actually being used appropriately), therefore I deleted the image from Wikipedia. We had a glut of TIME covers, and they had to be culled. It was certainly an unpopular move on my part, but one which I do not regret. - Ta bu shi da yu 16:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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speedy tag on Rob Kardashian

Hi, I removed the tag you put on this article. I don't think this qualifies for a speedy delete, since there is some question about notability. If you still think the article should be deleted, perhaps you should prod it or send it to AfD. -- Deville (Talk) 00:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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San Francisco meetup at WMF headquarters

Hi Yurivict,

I just wanted to give you a heads-up about the next wiki-meetup happening in SF. It'll be located at our very own Wikimedia Foundation offices, and we'd love it if some local editors who are new to the meetup scene came and got some free lunch with us :) Please sign up on the meetup page if you're interested in attending, and I hope to see you soon! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:19, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

Hi, Yurivick!

Here you said that there were Russian and Kazakh nationals on board. However the original BBC source only said Italian, French, German, and British passengers.

I'll see if I can find a source for Kazakh (I already found Russian) Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 03:01, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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In relation to your contribution to the Robin Hood page entitled the 'Evolution of Concepts'

Hi,

Thanks for your contribution to the Robin Hood Wikipedia page.

I wrote a Masters degree on the origins and development of the legend of Robin Hood (RH) earlier this year, and ever since I have been endeavoring to tidy the Wikipedia page up, and to that end I find your contribution to be useful.

I especially like your opening, where you discuss how Robin Hood has evolved. However, might I suggest that you take the time to revise your contribution slightly? Immediately after your opening you talk of Robert de Locksley. Whilst useful, I believe that your contribution here might be more usefully located under the sub-title 'Robin Hood's of history', where you could start a new sub-section on de Locksley, to go along with the Robin Hood's of York and of Wakefield etc. I believe that such action would make the information easier to find for someone searching for evidence of historical Robin Hood's. That said, you have unfortunately failed to provide a footnote citing from where this information derives. As a part of writing my thesis I tried to locate information on Robert de Locksley, but failed to identify a valid historical source, and so if you have a citation to back-up this point it would be a very valuable addition. Otherwise, strictly speaking, under Wikipedia's Terms and Policies, the information should be deleted. But I believe that that would be a shame because, as I say, its useful stuff, and accurate citations relating to Robert de Locksley are hard to come by.

I also note that you have provided information which states that Robin Hood originated from either Swannington in Essex or Loxley, Warwickshire. Personally, I really like the Loxley idea, especially given that the Loxley tombstone which marks the grave is identical to that which formerly resided at Kirklees. Alas, there is no other evidence to suggest that the outlaw operated in Warwickshire, and as I am sure that you are aware, all of the early evidence suggests that RH originated from northern England, and predominantly Yorkshire, as did Robert de Locksley. Therefore I believe that, in all probability, the grave at Loxley is not that of RH. Still, it is worth a mention on the Wikipedia page, but should, I would suggest, be located under the sub-heading of topography. Here, once again, you have not provided an academic footnote. Yes, you have cited Brian Benison, who says that he is so confident that the man who robbed from the rich and gave to the poor is from Swannington, near Ashby, that he will give money to charity if he is mistaken. Brian's new book, Robin Hood: The Real Story, sets out the case that Robin was actually Roger Godberd, a farmer from Swannington. But this is a piece of original research, and is thus in violation of Wikipedia' 'No Original Research Policy' under its Terms and Conditions. Indeed, the work contains absolutely no works to specified historical sources. In short, the citation is not fit for listing on Wikipedia. Besides, Benison has quite clearly missed the point, because the evidence of the Berkshire Rolls of 1261-62 prove that the Robin Hood legend was by then already well established. However, Roger Godberd did not become an outlaw until AFTER the end of the Second Barons War (1264-67), which proves that he cannot be Robin Hood. I would suggest that he give that money which he has promised to charity!

Finally, you give other information pertaining to the topography of the legend, but again, this would be better suited under the sub-heading topography.

In sum, I really like your contribution, but would request that you divide it into suitable sub-divisions. And, of course, you really ought to work on providing suitable citations. I could make the said changes myself, but in truth I don't want to undermine your efforts as I understand that that is very frustrating.

Wishing you well,

Siggasonswein (talk) 22:05, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Siggasonswein, you made a mistake, my contribution was only cosmetic. You need to identify the user who made a change you want to talk about and send him/her a message. Regards, Yurivict (talk) 23:27, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why?

Why are you "blacking" out the stats from the table in the section Puerto Ricans in Hawaii in the article Puerto Rican immigration to Hawaii? You know, I believe you to be a good editor and that you did it unintentionally, therefore I fixed it once more. Remember my friend, when you make an edit, check it out before saving it. Take care. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't look at the result in browser, was fixing syntax errors in an automated system. However, text there said <<< {| style="background:"Black" border="1" >>> , which is the broken style which looks like it was set to black. But because of the broken style syntax, it was ignored by wiki-engine. I fixed the style syntax, and this made it work as black, as written. And you also didn't look, and just brought it back to the broken state. Sorry, next time will look better. -) Yurivict (talk) 04:27, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I didn't promote anything in any of the instances you mentioned. I suggested improvements/corrections to the articles based on applying of the common sense. Yurivict (talk) 18:25, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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That's just a bit of information, there's nothing promotional in it. Yurivict (talk) 01:56, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Also, regarding [1] and [2], I would like to remind you not to promote WP:FRINGE theories or try to insert material that is not supported by Wikipedia:Reliable sources. IHateAccounts (talk) 00:38, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi They,
That edit contained truth, not a fringe theory. Wikipedia's reliable sources mechanism is broken and it doesn't allow really reliable sources to be cited. Yurivict (talk) 00:45, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You should do some reading of Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Your edits did not contain "truth", and the Washington Examiner is an exceptionally poor source. IHateAccounts (talk) 01:02, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They contain "truth" as per the definition of truth: "true facts, genuine depiction or statements of reality". Yurivict (talk) 01:10, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, they really don't.
  1. Donald Trump did not win the election.
  2. The bullshit in Washington Examiner was, in fact, total bullshit. Fact check available here: [3]
Please review the policies regarding reliable sources, they are there for a reason. IHateAccounts (talk) 01:21, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry that you are so brainwashed and so devoid of the ability of independent thought and analysis. Best, Yurivict (talk) 01:25, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IHateAccounts is right. If you distrust our RS policy so much, you really shouldn't be editing here, at least on controversial topics. You have a duty to follow that policy and prioritize verifiable information from RS, not your subjective ideas of "truth". That information must come from what we consider RS (IOW accurate sources, regardless of any left or right bias), not from the fringe and unreliable sources that you consider reliable. They are misinforming you. -- Valjean (talk) 02:00, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't information in Wikipedia reflect what is *really* happening? Otherwise what is the point of editing or even having the articles? Yurivict (talk) 02:08, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We document what RS say. We do not give undue weight to the views from unreliable sources, and we label lies for what they are when RS do so. -- Valjean (talk) 03:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And when RS is not really RS, your documentation is garbage, garbage in, garbage out. Yurivict (talk) 04:47, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yurivict, Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. Or, in this case, verifiability not Truth™. Guy (help! - typo?) 10:24, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Verifiability implies comparing, what are you comparing with? Yurivict (talk) 19:45, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When you write that Wikipedia "doesn't allow really reliable sources to be cited," what sources do you think we should cite? We know you consider Newsmax as reliable, but what other sources would you have in your personal list of reliable sources? I have such a list, but I'd like to see yours. -- Valjean (talk) 21:38, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The One America News TV channel does honest, excellent reporting; NewsMax accurately reports current US news; The Epoch Times (https://www.theepochtimes.com/) has very reliable information; same can be said about American Thinker (https://www.americanthinker.com/) and Big League Politics (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/).
Mass media outlets like CNN/CBS/MSNBC/New York Times/etc don't seem concerned about objective news reporting, and instead have long turned into the instruments of propaganda.
Just two recent irrefutable examples: (1) They continuously claim that there is no evidence of election fraud when hundreds of affidavits exist that claim fraud (affidavits are a definition of evidence); (2) during the last Wednesday's press conference of Trump lawyers CNN said "We don't show it because it is 'bananas'."; These two recent instances show that mass media doesn't even try to report news, they are just engaged in lying and twisting the information for the purposes of propaganda. They don't act in good faith, and it is preposterous to even consider them to be "reliable sources" for anything, like Wikipedia does. Yurivict (talk) 23:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Have you checked out conservapedia.com? Schazjmd (talk) 23:49, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn't. Yurivict (talk) 23:55, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just a suggestion. From the little I know of it, I believe they would agree wholeheartedly with your statement about the reliability of those specific sources. Schazjmd (talk) 23:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's a good idea, because the sources you favor above are totally unreliable, and the ones you don't like are RS. You lack the ability "to decide when sources are, and are not, suitable for citing in articles," and therefore shouldn't be editing any controversial topics here. You will be right at home among friends at Conservapedia.-- Valjean (talk) 01:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you really believe so I have no choice but think that you totally lack the ability to discern what is true and what is false, and should never edit Wikipedia articles about any subject matter. Yurivict (talk) 02:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, let's look at this another way. It's not about what is true or false, but about what Wikipedia considers to be a RS or an unreliable source. You already understand how this creates a problem for you, and we are just telling you that your attitude about this sourcing situation is unsuited for this place, since we use RS here (the ones you don't like), regardless of whether you consider them true or false. Conservapedia is a perfect place for you, and that's a guarantee. Here you'll only end up topic banned or fully banned. It all depends on what and how you choose to edit. On uncontroversial subjects, you might be able to function very productively. That would be nice. -- Valjean (talk) 02:29, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia editors approve what is considered to be a "reliable source", and approve it again by editing accordingly or advocating for the system, like you do here. Which, again, brings us to the conclusion that you can not discern what is true and what is false. Yurivict (talk) 02:49, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. The point remains that your attitude toward the sources we consider reliable is fundamentally against our policies, so you might find Conservapedia a better fit. You can also remain here, as long as you abide by our RS policy, even though you don't agree with it. I know some other editors who do that. -- Valjean (talk) 02:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you not personalize this by making personal attacks about my ability to discern what is true or not. As I stated above, the issue is fundamentally "not about what is true or false" but about what Wikipedia considers a RS. I think we can agree that you do not agree with the consensus among editors on that subject. I do agree with that consensus. That is the most fundamental issue here, seen from a policy-based perspective, which is not exactly the same as the "true vs. false" perspective. On that last perspective, the Bible tells us that "every man is right in his own eyes." (Proverbs 21:2) So we're both in the same boat there. -- Valjean (talk) 03:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This wasn't an attack, rather a statement of fact. Analysis: facts (1) there are hundreds of affidavits of fraud, (2) affidavits are a definition of proof, (3) CNN/MSNBC/ABC all assert that there is no proof of fraud. => All facts (1,2,3) can't be true at the same time. Since (1) is supported by photocopies available online and (2) is supported by reading law textbooks, this leads to only one possible conclusion: (3) is false, or, in layman terms, CNN/MSNBC/ABC/etc are lying when they state that (3) is true. Intentional lying shouldn't be compatible with the source being RS. Yet you apparently agree that they are RS. There is an obvious contradiction. I don't know where does your judgement fail in this chain of reasoning, but it obviously does. Hence, this is almost a mathematical proof that you can't discern what is true from what is false. Yurivict (talk) 03:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just to humor you, I'll clarify a flaw in your logic. No. 2 is not true. A court decides that. An affidavit can contain unproven and false allegations. They just got signed. That's all. Some affidavits have been connected to Project Veritas, a well-known source of false and manipulated information, and some affidavits have been retracted. Courts have already rejected many, and Trump’s lawyers have been laughed out of court in several states. They make allegations, but have no evidence of any widespread or systematic voter fraud, so the judge tells them to leave because they have no case.

Now back to the topic, which is RS. Why not take your case to WP:RS/N? Show them your arguments and change our policy. -- Valjean (talk) 04:06, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, affidavits are admissible evidence, so my original conclusion is true. Since wikipedia is apparently overrun with editors who seriously think that mass media are RS, efforts to change the policy would more than likely be futile. Yurivict (talk) 04:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So, regarding your editing here, what's your strategy going forward? -- Valjean (talk) 04:41, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And why are you asking? Yurivict (talk) 04:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just curious. -- Valjean (talk) 04:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Don't be. Yurivict (talk) 05:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]