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Officer covered for updates related to WP:1EVENT of alleged crime done by others. Venkat TL (talk) 09:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Venkat TL (talk) 09:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Venkat TL (talk) 09:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

• Delete: There numerous officers part of UPSC and come to limelight only when celebrities are involved. User:Vinodmahalingam 04:30, 16 May 2024 UTC [refresh], 04:30, Thursday, May 16, 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Not a notable one. For such, there will be floods of IRC/IAS officers in Wikipedia. User:Arunudoy 07:03, 27 October 2021 (IST)

• Keep I disagree that the officer just covered for WP:1EVENT, in the article the other events where the officer led the investigations are mentioned, same can also be found over the internet. Disclosure: I created the article but am not related to subject in any ways.Advait (talk) 09:29, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment creator User:Advait.kansal and his sock participating here have been blocked. Venkat TL (talk) 13:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Agree with this opinion. This page existed before the controversy; the subject was already a notable person with moderate amount of media coverage, especially with the actor Sushant Singh Rajput's case. To say they are known for WP:1EVENT is disingenious. GreaterPonce665 ^(TALK) 16:15, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Note: In addition to the references mentioned in the article, Times of India, has published an articles of some of his previous cases from 2011 onwards. https://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/not-just-aryan-khan-shah-rukh-khan-these-bollywood-celebs-have-also-faced-sameer-wankhede-in-the-past/photostory/87310095.cms

Please note this article or content is currently not in the article. Advait (talk) 18:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

• Keep Found some other cases where the officer made news. Added the news reference as well News18 hence WP:1EVENT won't stand Jehowahyereh (talk) 15:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

  He is not known for these events. Though he received some coverage in the reporting of the recent event while acting as a spokesman for the reporters. The older incident is even more trivial. The detailed coverage requirement does not allow passing mentions. Venkat TL (talk) 17:08, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

• Keep Disruptive nomination. The subject got significant coverage before this year as well.[1][2][3] Mukt (talk) 10:23, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

• Delete: WP:BLP1E as the subject is an IRS officer of a city unit who got attention only during an ongoing drug investigation. 4 out of the present 7 sources talks about the drug case where 2 sources are from WP:TOI and WP:REPUBLICTV. I find the other coverage as only WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS and couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV. - SUN EYE 1 10:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

  Note: Both sources from TOI and REPUBLIC are now replaced with better sources. Eevee01^(talk) 08:25, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

• Keep: There is sufficient coverage in national media on the subject. He is the Zonal Director for Mumbai in NCB which has 13 zones. He was awarded by Home Ministry for Outstanding Investigation for the year 2021. Some article about him 1, 2, 3. Hence it is not WP:1EVENT.Vinod2608 (talk) 11:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

  Comment That award was given to 152 cops this year. So it is not a significant award. Would need to be given Padma award to be called a significant award. Venkat TL (talk) 06:42, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• DELETE Some ocassional media coverages don't qualify someone as notable. TrendSPLEND ^✉ 07:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Not occasional if the coverage is happening for more than 2 years. 106.214.126.2 (talk) 14:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

• Keep: He is definitely notable because of the great work he is doing and the threats he is receiving as a result. -- Dr. Abhijeet Safai (talk) 13:18, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

• Keep Notable. As of now, significant coverage can be easily found. PangolinPedia 14:30, 25 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PangolinPedia (talk • contribs)

  Comment Read all the discussions. Sameer is highlighted just because of superstar's son. Period. PangolinPedia (talk) PangolinPedia 14:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

• Delete: Not notable and not enough WP:SIGCOV Equine-man (talk) 16:40, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BLP1E; no WP:SIGCOV beyond recent news. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 16:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
• Keep; ample amount of media coverage and he is not a single event case. -Hatchens (talk) 17:55, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
• Keep References are enough to justify the notability of the subject. Notable for multiple events. Passes WP:GNG. DMySon (talk) 02:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
• Keep Has already attracted significant coverage in reliable sources for years. 106.214.126.2 (talk) 15:05, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: I asked the following question on the article's talk page which no one has answered yet: Genuine question, what makes this person so notable compared to others in the same type of job all around the world? He has led some investigations I see, so have 100's of others in his same position. Explain WHAT makes him different to others doing the same job as himself around the world. Equine-man (talk) 22:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

  Very good question. This person has not done anything extraordinary to deserve an article. The case of this drug agency raid centered around few grams of weed is only getting coverage as an Indian film superstar's son is involved. All the characters in this incident have received some form of case dependent coverage. Remove the Superstar and no one will want to hear about these characters. This criminal case dependent coverage of the characters neither counts for GNG nor for WP:1EVENT. There is no way this article is going to pass WP:SUSTAINED This article is a fit case for deletion and should be deleted. Venkat TL (talk) 12:36, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

• Keep More than an 'official' of an agency, he has drawn significant news media coverage regarding his biography. Clearly, a Wikipedia-worthy person. AltruisticHomoSapien (talk) 08:17, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
• Sameer Wankhede (full name Sameer Dnyandev Wankhede) is not a notable person. As per IRS Civil List, he is just a B. A. (History Hons.) and his rank is currently at Additional Director level which is not even the highest rank in the service or even Joint Secretary level in GOI. Just because he is a member of Indian Revenue Service is not a condition of notability. (BLP violation removed) Also, the total members in IRS are 4192 (Income Tax) and 5583 (Customs and Indirect Taxes). There are lots of raids every day happening in the world and not every constable and upper officer can have a Wikipedia encylopedia article. This article must be deleted and out. - Thanks, KU — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.46.29 (talk) 14:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
• Strong Keep A very notable topic, he is breaking news for last many weeks in India and the world. Easily passes WP:GNG. 132.154.16.191 (talk) 05:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BLP1E; no WP:SIGCOV beyond recent kerfuffle. I caution the (would-be) closer to evaluate age of the participant accounts - this discussion is being canvassed. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:48, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - THIS IS NOT VOTE Whilst, I have voted for Keep but I agree with you that there appears to be some canvassing. This is drawing unusual attention in the article page, talk page and in this discussion. Some of the voters have only fewer edits. Advait (talk) 08:16, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

  Note Advait.kansal is the article creator and this is his second vote on this page. Venkat TL (talk) 08:32, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

  @Venkat TL: I voted only on 21 October 2021. The above sentence is not my second vote - there I have just mentioned about the unusual canvassing activity - I agreed on canvassing part by a user who voted Delete.

  Kindly re-read my sentence => Whilst, I have voted for Keep but I agree with you that there appears to be some canvassing. Advait (talk) 12:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

  If you don't intend to vote multiple times or create an impression of voting multiple times, why are you bolding your words. Please read Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Recommendations_and_outcomes. Venkat TL (talk) 12:13, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

  I have added 'Comment - THIS IS NOT VOTE' tag and have made the text as normal. I only responded to that comment because I see a lot of users with few edits or IP users voting both / editing both ways. Advait (talk) 12:21, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• This article should not be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.93.58 (talk) 08:03, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• Delete: Not independently notable. He has received coverage both now and in the past only because of investigating celebrities. See this news article. The majority of the coverage he received was because celebrities were involved. He has also investigated other cases, but they did not get this kind of coverage and probably are not notable. It is also to be noted that he himself was recently accused see this, this and this, so having an article on him might violate WP:BLP. Disclosure: I have edited the article in the past. Eevee01^(talk) 13:13, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• BLP is not violated only because of the existence of a biographical article. It makes no sense in saying that a subject's coverage "was because celebrities were involved", because then you would also want to delete the Oscar-related pages. LearnIndology (talk) 13:09, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

  He is currently accused of multiple things including trying to extort money for the release of the actor's son^[4] so having an article on him violates WP:BLP and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. Wankhede is not notable, in 2020 the death of Sushant Singh Rajput was a notable event but Wankhede himself didn't receive significant coverage before that. Per the later policy, even when an event is notable, individuals involved in it may not be. Unless news coverage of an individual goes beyond the context of a single event, our coverage of that individual should be limited to the article about that event, in proportion to their importance to the overall topic. In 2021, he is in news for arresting an actor's son, and interrogating other celebrities^[5]. Again celebrities are involved. It is not even a big case, no dugs was found from the actor's son and the drugs his friend was carrying was very little in quantity. The case is getting attention only because he is the son of Bollywood's biggest actor. I don't know what do you mean by deleting Oscar related pages. Oscar is an internationally recognized award and this is not a notable case. I suggest the closing admin to see this^[6] news article to understand the chronology of the events. Eevee01^(talk) 04:05, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

The article does not get deleted only because some particular parts of the person's events can't be included, see WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP. Your personal reflection about Aryan Khan's arrest has nothing to do with WP:GNG. LearnIndology (talk) 12:02, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I was talking about violation of Wankhede's BLP. He is not a notable person and having an article on him violates BLP, because currently he is an accused. User Mukt has re-wrote the entire article and now most BLP related issues are solved, see this. But still it won't change the fact that Wankhede is not notable. He is getting attention only because of the involvement of the celebrities. Eevee01^(talk) 13:56, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

• Strong Delete No significance notability of the person in the past other than present controversy. Person will disappear from the news once matter is settled. Moreover, you would rarely find any mention of the person in news before October or September 2021.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 13:53, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• Then what is this? LearnIndology (talk) 13:09, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

  In 2020 he got media coverage only because he was involved in investigating the death of Sushant Singh Rajput. Many people were covered by the media during this incident. There is no significant coverage of Mr. Wankhede before 2020. Eevee01^(talk) 15:22, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

So delete all articles that got coverage by 2020? You are wrong even if you want others to believe in that. The article shows the subject had significant coverage since 2013.[7] LearnIndology (talk) 12:02, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@LearnIndology I have found this on WP:RS noticeboard. Are there any major news outlets who have articles on him before 2020. Eevee01^(talk) 14:10, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

• Keep - Absolutely passes WP:GNG as reliable sources from 2020 and 2021 have provided significant coverage to the subject. WP:BLP1E is even less of a criteria at this stage thanks to the recent drug-related arrests and political mudslinging which has made the subject even more notable. LearnIndology (talk) 13:14, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

  • Investigating or arresting someone does not make the investigator notable for Wikipedia.
  • Political mudslinging does not make anyone notable for Wikipedia. In fact Political mudslinging is not even added here even though they find place in Newspaper.
  • There is no such rule of notability based on arrests or mudslinging as you are claiming. If there is then please show. Please read WP:NOTNEWSPAPER Venkat TL (talk) 13:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

• Even if I were to entertain your non-policy based opinion then you are ought to be aware that now there is a dispute about his caste certification which has nothing to do with any his crime-related investigation.[8] Your argument was "WP:1EVENT" which has been already punctured as reliable sources from 2020 and 2021 have provided significant coverage to the subject concerning issues different from each other. You need to only remember that as long as there are multiple sources that discuss the topic directly and in detail, there is no need to worry about notability. LearnIndology (talk) 13:41, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

  That dispute is worthy material for newspapers not encyclopedia. Every garbage that gets published need not find its way into an online encyclopedia. Let this guy become chief of CBI or get a Padma or achieve something. Investigating someone does not make a person notable, even though the newspapers talk about him in their coverage of the crime investigation. Venkat TL (talk) 13:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

• He is IRS would never be CBI chief. CBI Director is from IPS.122.161.64.114 (talk) 14:49, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

  My point is he should become chief of a major org, to become notable for an article. Chief investigator of few gms of weed related case doesn't cut it, to get a Wikipedia article. Venkat TL (talk) 14:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

• Delete: Not a notable personality per WP:BLP1E. Nenetarun (talk) 14:10, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
• Delete: No one will remember him once the matter is settled. 183.82.104.213 (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

• Keep per sources mentioned above. Has gained significant attention of reliable sources unrelated to arrest of Aryan Khan. -----Yoonadue (talk) 14:57, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
• Delete I'm probably missing something but why are we even considering keeping this article? The "Personal life" section contains rather odd musings on this person's relationship with Muslims that looks more like an editor's obsession with things Islamic rather than with things encyclopedic. The rest: an IAS officer who detained an actor, who is investigating a case which appears to involve actors, and who is investigating a drug case that apparently doesn't even merit an article on Wikipedia. --RegentsPark (comment) 15:38, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete. Indian Revenue Service not Indian Administrative Service. Central Civil Service again not All India. The person is irrelevant and not notable. He is not a Nobel laureate or a revolutionary leader for anyone to preserve this article. The individual is just a government worker doing a job and getting media attention because the son of a major actor (not the arrest of the actor itself) did drugs and in jail. Arresting or investigating officers of other countries don't have Wikipedia encyclopedia article or biographies at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.206.53.153 (talk) 19:18, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
• Delete: Similar to above, I can't see how this is anything beyond BLP1E at best. Ravensfire (talk) 22:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
• Keep The India Today article published 11 months ago satisfies WP:SIGCOV [9] talks about his career since 2011. Agree with GreaterPoncence655 that WP:1EVENT/BLP1E is being grossly misrepresented. TolWol56 (talk) 00:38, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
• Keep Wikipedia is an open platform of useful & notable events. Passes WP:GNG & WP:EVENT criterion as there have been multiple events surrounding Wankhade. He is himself subject to the investigation now. Passes WP:GOLDENRULE
• Such important content should not be deleted from Wikipedia. Dhy.rjw (talk) 03:33, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
• Delete Not encyclopedic and WP:NOTNP. Simply some investigating officer who came in the news because he investigated some celebrities.LukeEmily (talk) 13:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

• Wrong. Has received significant coverage for non-celebrities related incidents too.[10] Mukt (talk) 04:25, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

• Delete Per WP:NOTNP ; also WP:BLP1E — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.98.59.92 (talk) 19:13, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
• Strong Delete Hundreds (thousands? more than that?) law enforcement officers work on such cases. This would definitely not pass WP:SUSTAINED.ThisFeelsABitOff (talk) 05:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
• Keep Subject clearly complies with wp:GNG. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
• Keep. Clearly satisfies WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Given that there have been reports of his on cases from before 2020, this is clearly not an instance of WP:BLP1E. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:41, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
• Keep Subject is notable and meets WP:GNG. 122.161.72.152 (talk) 19:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
• Delete: Clear case of WP:BLP1E 115.97.187.217 (talk) 07:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

• So when I look at the sources in this article, a lot of them are terrible, and the article definitely needs revision. The basic problem with Indian sources is well summarized in our article on Paid news in India. But our redoubtable reliable sources analysts have (of course) formed views about which Indian sources are reliable. They've evaluated the Indian Express as a good one: see WP:INDIANEXP. And this article cites an Indian Express source here. They have not evaluated the Hindustan Times but it's been my experience that Wikipedians do accept the Hindustan Times as a reliable source in cases where it's also confirmed by The Indian Express (or The Hindu which is the other top-reliability news source native to India, see WP:THEHINDU). So on the basis of our normal custom and practice on Indian language sources, I'll buy those two a general notability guideline pass.
  It's then claimed that Wankhede is only notable for one event, which would be the scheduled caste quota dispute. But I don't buy that either. The event was in 2021, but I can see other news sources here and here which pre-date the scheduled caste issue. They're reporting in one case that he's been attacked and threatened while at work -- hardly indicative of paid news or COI, in my view -- and in another case that he's refused security cover. So it's not coverage of one event.
  After subtracting these two arguments from the debate, I don't see a convincing argument for deletion. The article definitely has problems but in my view they qualify as fixable. Keep.—S Marshall T/C 17:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@S Marshall:, the 1event they are talking about precedes the caste quota event. I reached a slightly different conclusion here but decided to delete my neutral !vote after more RS were added. - hako9 (talk) 18:17, 2 November 2021 (UTC)