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*'''Comment''' this should all use "royal tennis", since this is about [[royal tennis]], as this is not about "real" tennis versus "table tennis", which if you think of "tennis" as a head category with subcategories for types of tennis, then common tennis may be referred to as "'real' tennis", therefore this is an ambiguous category. As for fictional vs real, we should use "real-world" to distinguish those, if necessary, and create a different subcategory for that. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' this should all use "royal tennis", since this is about [[royal tennis]], as this is not about "real" tennis versus "table tennis", which if you think of "tennis" as a head category with subcategories for types of tennis, then common tennis may be referred to as "'real' tennis", therefore this is an ambiguous category. As for fictional vs real, we should use "real-world" to distinguish those, if necessary, and create a different subcategory for that. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 05:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
**Firstly, the sport we're talking about here is the subject of the [[Real tennis]] article. Secondly, the issue nhere isn't what we would call a category about real-world venues of tennis, but what we should call the category for venus of [[real tennis]]. [[User:Od Mishehu|עוד מישהו]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 11:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
**Firstly, the sport we're talking about here is the subject of the [[Real tennis]] article. Secondly, the issue nhere isn't what we would call a category about real-world venues of tennis, but what we should call the category for venus of [[real tennis]]. [[User:Od Mishehu|עוד מישהו]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 11:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
***That is my point. Your rename still makes it ambiguous. As 'royal tennis' is an alternate name for that sport, it also removes ambiguity with real-world venues of tennis, and venues of common tennis. [[:Category:Venues of royal tennis]] would not give confusion between normal tennis and other forms of tennis, nor would it give confusion between the real world and non-real. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.171.126|65.94.171.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.171.126|talk]]) 07:19, 25 July 2014 (UTC)


==== Category:Novels set in Namaqualand ====
==== Category:Novels set in Namaqualand ====

Revision as of 07:19, 25 July 2014

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July 22

American women engineers

Category:Images of Jena Irene

Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. There is no need to have a category for one image. Taylor Trescott - my talk + my edits 21:47, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Small category not beneficial to navigation. SFB 18:57, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Serves no navigation purpose. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mesoamerican art historians

Category:Music geography

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: procedural close. Please wait for the other discussion to be closed. – Fayenatic London 23:06, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I had a proposal for renaming to "Music by place" at July the 2nd, and got equal support and opposition, before I abandoned the proposal, because of this big new idea: Category:Music by place would've been well suited for categorizing the topic music by city, continent, country, region. But is that all that we want? Maybe we want to categorize by nationality, ethnicity, language and other attributes. These all categorize also by location of music, but not only by location, and can therefore not be included in Category:Music by place. My proposed title Category:Geographical categorization of music is best suited for combining a classification by place and the other geographical factors. It would make Category:Musica lot tidier, and add clarity and logic to the category system. -- CN1 (talk) 19:08, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

1933 establishments in Indonesia

1935 establishments in the Republic of the Congo

Pre-1960 establishments in The Democractic Republic of the Congo

Category:Military athletes

Nominator's rationale: The term athlete in this context is ambiguous as to whether it refers to athletes in sports in general, or more narrowly competitors in the sport of athletics. Athletics has quite a distinguished connection with the military, stemming from its origins to present day, so this is a term well in need of disambiguation. SFB 16:36, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Related nominations

Category:Real tennis venues

Nominator's rationale: The current name of the category sounds like it's refering to tennis venues that are real, and not venues of a game called "real tennis". עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:00, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support It's not very unlikely that someone may see this as the other side of "fictional tennis venues", but the outcome is still an improvement in this regard. SFB 16:52, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Rename The current name matches the overwhelming standard in the parent Category:Sports venues by sport. I'm not sure that there are many imaginary real tennis venues or if anyone would erroneously place non-imaginary places here rather than in Category:Tennis venues, but I don't see why these imaginary concerns should sway the naming of a real sport. Alansohn (talk) 23:21, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this should all use "royal tennis", since this is about royal tennis, as this is not about "real" tennis versus "table tennis", which if you think of "tennis" as a head category with subcategories for types of tennis, then common tennis may be referred to as "'real' tennis", therefore this is an ambiguous category. As for fictional vs real, we should use "real-world" to distinguish those, if necessary, and create a different subcategory for that. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Firstly, the sport we're talking about here is the subject of the Real tennis article. Secondly, the issue nhere isn't what we would call a category about real-world venues of tennis, but what we should call the category for venus of real tennis. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • That is my point. Your rename still makes it ambiguous. As 'royal tennis' is an alternate name for that sport, it also removes ambiguity with real-world venues of tennis, and venues of common tennis. Category:Venues of royal tennis would not give confusion between normal tennis and other forms of tennis, nor would it give confusion between the real world and non-real. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 07:19, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Novels set in Namaqualand

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Delete for WP:SMALLCAT. Mikeblas (talk) 03:55, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - October (novel) is already in Category:Novels set in South Africa, which is sufficient. 78.145.170.87 (talk) 09:07, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It's a region straddling two countries, famous for its flora. Quite a few novels are set there, eg Flowers in the Sand. As coverage of African topics improves, this category is likely to grow. Andreas JN466 18:18, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep WP:SMALLCAT says, "Note also that this criterion does not preclude all small categories; a category which does have realistic potential for growth, such as a category for holders of a notable political office, may be kept even if only a small number of its articles actually exist at the present time." And location is a specific example of when it is appropriate to add a smaller category, "However, location may be used as a way to split a large category into subcategories. For example,Category:American writers by state." The intent of overcategorization editing guideline (and it is a guideline not policy) is to avoid trivial categories. Category:Novels set in Namaqualand is not a trivial categorization. Sydney Poore/FloNight♥♥♥♥ 20:05, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This category recognizes the pre-colonial region populated by the Nama people.Kmccook (talk) 23:13, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Neither of the current 2 articles mentions the Nama people. The actual novels may, but the current articles about them do not. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Boer War fiction and a ANC activism fit neatly into the South African category. No objection to recreating if additional articles are added. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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