Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 30

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 30, 2024.

92309

• 92309 → Halloran Springs, California  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

92309 code covers multiple places (e.g., Baker, California). We usually do not have disambiguations for ZIP codes either (90210 seems to be an exception). Delete to avoid the confusion. Викидим (talk) 22:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Kashvee Gautam

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nominator. Mentioned in the article in a list hidden by default. (non-admin closure) Викидим (talk) 21:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• Kashvee Gautam → Gujarat Giants (WPL)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A cricketer not mentioned in the targeted article on the team. If notable, will get his own article, so WP:RFD#DELETE #10 applies Викидим (talk) 21:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Metro Mayor of the Liverpool City Region

• Metro Mayor of the Liverpool City Region → Mayor of the Liverpool City Region  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:RFD#DELETE #2, #6 and #8: The main article has been moved to a different name, and this article including "Metro" rather than just "Mayor" on its own was the incorrect name for the article. It is necessary to delete the incorrect name article and retain the correct name article. The article was marked for deletion on Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion. UnicornSherbert (talk) 21:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• Keep As shown on the official website, "Metro Mayor" seems to be the actual title. I suggest this move should be reversed. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:12, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Rawand Mustafa

• Rawand Mustafa → Kakamin Najar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No relation between the redirect and the target, an artefact of article creation (see the editor's name). Викидим (talk) 21:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Hold on hold on, wait. That's not just an editor's name-- user:Kakamin Najar's main userpage is a redirect to this article. What!?
In any case, current target is the subject of a PROD that if successful will result in the speedy deletion of this redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Aoomer

• Aoomer → Generation Alpha  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:RFD#DELETE #2 and #8: This term is not explained or even mentioned in the target article. A quick Google search doesn't yield any sources supporting this meaning. Created with the rationale i said i was going to bed but then when i was lying in bed it occurred to me that i needed to make this redirect. thanks i'll be here all week, which doesn't help to dispel the impression that this may be one editor's private joke, either. Regards, HaeB (talk) 19:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Delete. No good reason to keep it. Nerd271 (talk) 19:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Delete, fails WP:NEO. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Timosoara Banatul Philharmonic

• Timosoara Banatul Philharmonic → Banatul Philharmonic of Timișoara  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unplausible redirect. I don't think that in English Wikipedia a Romanian-language redirect without diacritics, with the city name misspelled (should be Timișoara instead) and with a strange word order (the ro.wiki article's title is Filarmonica Banatul din Timișoara) is useful. Keeping this redirect is arbitrary. It has also served 1 person in the last 30 days. And 4 in the last 365 days. Super Ψ Dro 10:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:CLUSTERFUCK

• Wikipedia:CLUSTERFUCK → Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mayoral elections  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Unhelpful shortcut that does not help promote civil discussion in a collaborative spirit. It's pointing to a certain AfD where the term was used by the closer, but is being incorrectly cited in other AfDs as some sort of guideline or policy. The offensive nature of the term (which I came across at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sports broadcasting contracts in Serbia) give statements that refer to it a strong accusatory tone that may seem to violate WP:CIVIL, even when none may have been intended. There's already WP:TRAINWRECK which is what most users of the redirect appear to actually be referring to. Paul_012 (talk) 10:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Might want to go through the existing usages and retarget them either directly to the AfD, or over to WP:TRAINWRECK, as necessary. (For the record, while I wouldn't ordinarily be opposed to simply retargeting it to Wikipedia:Glossary#Trainwreck, the target of WP:TRAINWRECK, in order to fix the extremely clear WP:UPPERCASE problem, the uncivility issues presented by nom outweigh any benefit in targeting it to the place most users seem to assume it goes to.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep. The link points to a closing summary by Premeditated Chaos that accurately reflects the closure of that discussion. I understand the nom's urge to seek deletion after seeing GiantSnowman and Anwegmann use the link at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sports broadcasting contracts in Serbia, but that only proves that the link is getting some use. If this is not kept, then it should be at least retargeted to the glossary, so as to not create a bunch of redlinks in old AfDs where the term had meaning. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:17, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with a keep, but would also be fine with a retarget to TRAINWRECK. It's a phrase which is used at AFDs, and the fact it's rude is not a reason to get rid of it per WP:NOTCENSORED, and see also WP:DICK etc. GiantSnowman 18:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Okmrman (talk) 22:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Isnotreal

• Isnotreal → Criticism of Israel  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nominating this for user:InTheAstronomy32, who tried to PROD it earlier. I will not vote. Reason given was "Implausible search term. "Isnotreal" appears to be a play on the name Israel and has no relation with criticism of Israel." StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 00:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Delete: Is the criticism of Israel here that... it's not real...? I've heard of antisemites denying the holocaust, but denying the existence of the current, physical country of Israel is a new one. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:16, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Many years ago (I've just looked it up, it was August 2005) someone (an IP it turns out) nominated the Israel article for deletion with the rationale Nation does not follow the laws of the body that granted it soveriegnity, as such it is a non-soveriegn nation and does not officially exist. It attracted two speedy keep !votes in the four minutes it was open before the AfD page was speedily deleted as a "Troll page" (none of that by me so I don't know how I found out about it), but denying the existence of the country isn't completely new. None of this has any bearing on the redirect though. Thryduulf (talk) 03:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I suppose if you don't recognize the state of Israel as a political entity, it's "not real". I don't think anyone's denying that that physical area doesn't exist, just that they'd like to call it something else. Anyway, delete. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 19:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. This (and Itsnotreal, which is currently a redlink) is a hashtag/epithet used by (pro-)Palestinian commenters to signal that they disagree with the legitimacy (not de facto existence) of the Israeli state and/or government (it's not always clear which). It's trivial to verify this is not something made up, and it's not trolling or something like that. Is it prominent enough to make a useful search term here though? Well it's prominent enough that the answer is not obviously "no", but it's not prominent enough that the answer is obviously "yes". This one is going to take more research, but as it's 4am here that's not going to happen right now. Thryduulf (talk) 04:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
• Delete its use is generally bad faith or misguided, and it lacks the prominence to be a useful term, particularly for the page at hand. FortunateSons (talk) 09:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
• Delete It is unlikely to be useful as a search term for "criticism of Israel". Marokwitz (talk) 07:25, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
• Delete...probably - Maybe it is useful as a search term for "criticism of Israel" for the TikTok/X etc. folks. It's not obvious to me how we could tell without leaving the redirect there for a while and looking at how many times it gets hit. It's had 102 pageviews (30 days) most of which probably have nothing to do with search and are just editors looking. There are many redirects and the pageview counts vary wildly including 0 hits in 30 days. Given that the actual article has 9,949 pageviews (30 days), it's unclear that deleting the redirect would have much impact. It does raise the wider question though as to whether mapping article titles to hashtags makes sense given that we don't really know what an ever growing set of things tagged with a hashtag encompasses (unless it has secondary source coverage I guess and that doesn't appear to be the case here). Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the target talk page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Unless mention is added. Creating a redirect to explain a hashtag could be helpful, but only if there's some actual explanation at the target. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:17, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Contract barrel

• Contract barrel → Baral Agreement  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Contract barrel" is a gun barrel specification. Nothing to do with Baral. We have no article on contract barrels yet, so WP:RFD#DELETE #5 Викидим (talk) 07:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Delta Point

• Delta Point → Croydon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Delta Point" is the name of an apartment block in Croydon, but it is also the name of an apartment block in Salford. Recommend deletion. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete to avoid confusion. --Викидим (talk) 07:25, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
• Its not mentioned at Salford but is mentioned at Croydon though only briefly. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:08, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Dulah, California

• Dulah, California → Solimar Beach  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Originally this was a stub article that was PRODded by me; another user removed the PROD and converted the article to a redirect. The problem is, the target does not mention Dulah at all, and (per the original stub) Dulah was nothing more than a rail siding located near Solimar. I find it incredibly unlikely that anyone would search for a rail siding, and even if they did, they won't find any information about it here. The article should have been simply deleted and so should this redirect. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 02:45, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: The page was partially merged. I've made an attribution notice in an edit summary at the target to avoid attribution issues in case the page does get deleted. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Colonia Ulpia Traiana

• Colonia Ulpia Traiana → Xanten  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

In 2018, Colonia Ulpia Traiana was redirected to Xanten. The page has had some debates in the history, and another user is now indicating that this should not redirect to Xanten, though they haven't created a page, only a 'See also' section to Vetera. Given that they have reverted the redirect, I figured it should come to RfD. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Pinging JoNeuen: Instead of reverting the redirect, please discuss here why you think the current redirect target is incorrect and where you think the page should redirect to. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I have proposed this on the Xanten page. The reason for reverting is that Colonia Ulpia Traiana is an archaeological/historical site, which is only briefly discussed in the Xanten article. JoNeuen (talk) 02:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• The piped link mentioning Colonia Ulpia Traiana at the current target goes to Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa, so retarget there. There's also Ulpia Traiana, which redirects to Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa. I think both redirects should point to the same place. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! So, the link to Vetera was made because I created this article myself. As with Colonia Ulpia Traiana, the Vetera article was redirecting to Xanten before, but I cancelled it because I was working on a translation from the German article. I considered this justified, because I didn't get a response on the Xanten talk page in over a week. Since translating and complementing articles using translation is what I mostly do here, my intention is to do the same with Colonia Ulpia Traiana. The Xanten page is already considered incomplete and these German pages are full of valuable historic and archaeological information that might benefit English speaking Wikipedia. JoNeuen (talk) 22:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Institute for Macedonian language "Krste Misirkov"

• Institute for Macedonian language "Krste Misirkov" → Krste Misirkov Institute for the Macedonian Language  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I think this is a very awkwardly phrased redirect that is unlikely to be the way a reader would search for this article. This page title is close to the actual name so if a reader used these words, the article would appear in the search results so I don't think this redirect serves any useful purpose. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't really see a problem. I understand it is a strange format in English Wikipedia but it is the direct translation of the Macedonian name. Other languages tend to use such names with quotes. I think the redirect might be useful for Macedonian-speakers who are less used to the English style in which the proper name goes first in the institution's name. Super Ψ Dro 09:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

NOTOC

• NOTOC → Help:Section#Hiding the TOC  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Bad WP:XNR. One of the three links is in mainspace at AVP, where it certainly refers to something different. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. A redirect could be re-created to Dangerous goods if and when mention is added there. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Dallas Stars Ice Girls

• Dallas Stars Ice Girls → Dallas Stars  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Was closed as redirect after a 2021 AfD, but to this day there's no mention of "Ice Girls", or even "girls" at all at the target page, making this unhelpful for people that search for this topic only to find nothing for their search term on this 112 thousand byte page, i.e. a very very long scroll. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:52, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

China's under martial law

• China's under martial law → We Didn't Start the Fire#1989  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A lyric from We Didn't Start the Fire that is not mentioned at the target. Without a mention, and especially from a song tied with world history and events, this term can very well be used for topics relating to China being under martial law, and is not currently helpful as a redirect to a song where this line is not discussed. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Martial law#China (as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Martial law in China) which gives an overview and links to the three more detailed articles. If you know the context of the song then you can infer from what is there that it was referring to the Tiananmen Square protests, which will help some people and more than deletion would. See also my long comment at #British politician sex for background. Thryduulf (talk) 01:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Delta Xi Omega – Faulkner

• Delta Xi Omega – Faulkner → Faulkner University  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Delta Xi Omega - Faulkner → Faulkner University  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A social club not mentioned at the target article. Was involved in a 2005 AfD that closed as merge. No merge actually took place. The club existed as a passing mention with no real focus for a while, and then removed via a copyvio clear in 2015. Unmentioned since. The dash followed by the university name makes this unlikely in its own right. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)