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**Please read [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:CIVIL]]. Also, even though I voted delete, I fail to see how this was an "attack template", nor does it fit any other speedy delete criteria that I can see. Let the discussion run its course. <TT>[[User:Crotalus horridus|Crotalus horridus]] <SMALL>([[User talk:Crotalus horridus|TALK]] • [[Special:Contributions/Crotalus horridus|CONTRIBS]])</SMALL></TT> 19:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
**Please read [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:CIVIL]]. Also, even though I voted delete, I fail to see how this was an "attack template", nor does it fit any other speedy delete criteria that I can see. Let the discussion run its course. <TT>[[User:Crotalus horridus|Crotalus horridus]] <SMALL>([[User talk:Crotalus horridus|TALK]] • [[Special:Contributions/Crotalus horridus|CONTRIBS]])</SMALL></TT> 19:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
**So we're idiots for wanting to see what the contents were and if they could be improved rather than just sitting and being told by the admins that it's none of our business and to vote '''delete'''? --[[WP:EA|<font color="green">D</font>]]-[[User:D-Day|Day]] 19:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
**So we're idiots for wanting to see what the contents were and if they could be improved rather than just sitting and being told by the admins that it's none of our business and to vote '''delete'''? --[[WP:EA|<font color="green">D</font>]]-[[User:D-Day|Day]] 19:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
*David may I suggest that you close the tfd discussion before deleting?--'''[[User:God_of_War|God of]][[User Talk:God_of_War| War]]''' 19:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
**David may I suggest that you close the tfd discussion before deleting?--'''[[User:God_of_War|God of]][[User Talk:God_of_War| War]]''' 19:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
**Please stop wheel warring over this template, David. Nobody's using it right now, and it's up on TfD, so it's not causing any problems except for the wheel war itself. [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] <small>[[User talk:Ashibaka|tock]]</small> 23:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep, i guess*''' i put it on my user page as just a joke, but i can see how some would be offended by it.[[User:Joeyramoney|Joeyramoney]] 20:02, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep, i guess*''' i put it on my user page as just a joke, but i can see how some would be offended by it.[[User:Joeyramoney|Joeyramoney]] 20:02, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - ''It isn't attacking anyone.'' This falls under the exact same category as the debate at [[Talk:Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy]], where people are, ironically, voting massively to keep the offensive image. —<b><font color="darkgreen">[[User:Cuivienen|Cuiviénen]]</font></b> <font size="1">(<b><font color="darkblue">[[User Talk:Cuivienen|Cuivië]]</font></b>)</font> 20:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - ''It isn't attacking anyone.'' This falls under the exact same category as the debate at [[Talk:Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy]], where people are, ironically, voting massively to keep the offensive image. —<b><font color="darkgreen">[[User:Cuivienen|Cuiviénen]]</font></b> <font size="1">(<b><font color="darkblue">[[User Talk:Cuivienen|Cuivië]]</font></b>)</font> 20:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

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February 5, 2006

Template:ScratchspinImg

Template:ScratchspinImg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I've listed a related page at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Scratchspin images. This template is basically an advertisement for a private photographer who does not want to release images. I asked User:Carnildo about this before moving on, and his/her response was: "The terms of use on that site restrict re-use too much. In particular, it doesn't allow non-website use, it does not allow certain classes of commercial use, and it does not appear to allow modification of the images. I'd shoot the template and list the images for deletion -- there's nothing special about the images, so they don't qualify under Wikipedia:Fair use." Delete. — Rebelguys2 talk 22:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC) Delete per nom. -- Dalbury(Talk) 22:48, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Icons

Template:Icons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
No text or anything, just adds images to Category:Icons. No need for a template to do that. JYolkowski // talk 18:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Capmv

Template:Capmv (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
This template is redundant since a speedy deletion criteria (csd-g6) and the related template {{db-histmerge}} exist (and the category that was only populated by this template ended up deleted a few weeks ago). Having two ways of accomplishing the same thing is confusing and not very useful. - Bobet 14:01, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect to {{db-histmerge}} seems easiest, but I would not object to deleting this. >Radiant< 15:00, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I think that {{Capmv}} is more user-friendly than {{db-histmerge}}. It is a lot easier to use {{capmv}} because it just means "somebody screwed up the history by a cut-and-paste move, please help!". To use {{db-histmerge}}, you need to understand the process well enough to know which of the pages should be deleted. The documentation for this process is currently only directed at admins; user suggestions for cut-and-paste repair should be possible without reading and understanding the process. Or at least it should say somewhere that {{db-histmerge}} needs to be put on the page with the correct title (is that right?). Kusma (討論) 15:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. (Yes, you're right in the last sentence.) I don't see why the page history merging has to be thought of as something difficult, since the actual process is pretty simple (delete, move, undelete, make sure the better version is on top). I tried to clarify the wording a bit on WP:CSD and the {{db-histmerge}} template itself. The thing is that the capmv template is currently pretty unintuitive (because its name among other things) and the fact that to find it you'd most likely have to find Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen first. If the wording on that page was changed to point to {{db-histmerge}} instead and the usage was clarified there, I'm sure it'd be just as easy to use as capmv, and things would get done faster since I assume more admins look at CAT:CSD than the holding pen. - Bobet 20:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, agree with Kusma's reasoning. --AySz88^-^ 19:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User wishful

Template:User wishful (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Unused template, needlessly provocative. It's one thing to have an opinion, but Wikipedia is not a blog or a soapbox. This sort of polemic does nothing to advance the goal of writing an encyclopedia. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 05:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, but just because it's not used by anyone. If anyone actually wants to use this nasty polemic leave me a comment and I will change my vote. Ashibaka tock 06:14, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete. As the user accepts that Wikipedia is NOT a democracy, why are we voting on this? ;) Physchim62 (talk) 06:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Divisive. Junes 15:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, needlessly provocative indeed. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 15:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. This userbox was not divisive. Self-appointed honchos patrolling free speech on Wikipedia is divisive. --Daniel 18:05, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd like to take a look at what this box had said, if possible. --AySz88^-^ 18:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This has been speedied see:
15:50, 5 February 2006 Doc glasgow deleted "Template:User wishful" (attack - it is one thing to declare a POV - another to declare that the US is not in fact a democracy)[1]
  • Keep - I always vote keep on any speedied template for the right to see that userbox. I would like to remind Doc that the U.S. is in fact not a democracy, It is technically a Democratic Republic.--God of War 18:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just like above: RESTORE and give people a chance to see what a discussion is about. Larix 18:25, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's a good thing we have admins here who are just like regular users except they know better than them. This TfD will now continue based on what we think the userbox might have said. (Hint: It had to do with George W. Bush!) Just kidding, I will restore it again. I would like to see the admins who deleted it while it was on TfD reprimanded. Ashibaka tock 18:29, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thank you for restoring it. I saw the template, and although I don't agree with the contents, I don't see why it should be deleted - it doesn't seem offensive at all to me. Larix 18:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep Admit it, userbox-haters. You've lost. Now go back to writing an encyclopedia like we're supposed to do. --D-Day 18:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - doesn't seem bad, maybe people didn't realize the reference to the 2000 election. Though if someone uses the userbox inappropriately to stack votes or something, block that user. --AySz88^-^ 19:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, no harm in letting people air their political opinions in userspace unless it becomes disruptive for some specific reason. Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 19:25, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep User pages don't need to be scrupulously bland and NPOV. Adrian Lamo ·· 20:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. -- Dalbury(Talk) 21:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Freedom of speech, user pages are not bound to NPOV, the usual. Plus good political thinking on that democratic republic thing God of War. May i reming you again, user pages are not intended to build the encyclopedia in the sense of articles and other such writing - • | Đܧ§§Ť | • T | C 21:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User black coffee

Template:User black coffee (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Where will it stop? We already have Template:user coffee. Do we really need this? What's next, Template:user black coffee, one sugar, Template:user coffee cream, Template:user decaf, half-and-half, no sugar, Template:user capuccino, double shot espresso, soy milk, artificial sweetener? --MarkSweep (call me collect) 05:10, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Template:user coffee is ambiguous. I wanted one to convey my dislike for all the adulterations you listed above. I can see a flavored coffee one. Lefty 05:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - Unlike most of the userboxes that come up here, this one can't even be construed as an attack template. Your argument that this will result in ridiculously specific userboxes is a wonderful example of the slippery slope fallacy. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 05:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge in to a user coffee, as a conditional argument. xaosflux Talk/CVU 05:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - So what if there are a hundred userboxes for coffee. We can lump them all together in their own userbox section and you can ignore them.--God of War 18:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Exactly. KEEP with milk. Larix 18:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • SPEEDY KEEP What is this even doing here? --D-Day 19:00, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, completely harmless. We're not running out of server space, are we? Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 19:25, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep Lots of people drink coffee in a variety of ways, so there is a need for a number of coffee templates - • | Đܧ§§Ť | • T | C 19:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Materially different from other coffee userboxes. Personally, I'm OK with the world not knowing what coffee I like, but let's respect those who feel differently for some reason ;> Adrian Lamo ·· 20:29, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, even though it's just pretentious silliness. -- Dalbury(Talk) 21:14, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User USA Police State

Template:User USA Police State (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Needlessly provocative. It's one thing to have an opinion, but Wikipedia is not a blog or a soapbox. This sort of polemic does nothing to advance the goal of writing an encyclopedia, and everything to poison the well and convey the message that the Wikipedia community is all about factions identified by reductionist bumper stickers. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 04:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • The U.S. Secret Services have taken control of my mind and are forcing me to vote delete. Physchim62 (talk) 05:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doubleplus Ungood, per nom. :)--Sean Black (talk) 05:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Subst occurences and delete. We don't need this in template space, but I feel that a user should be allowed to express their opinion on this matter in userspace. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 06:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep You're perfectly free to make a userbox that says "The U.S. is a police state -- and I'd like to make Wikipedia one too!" --Daniel 06:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's not a coherent argument. I'll ask the closing admin to discount it. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 12:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • And this is not a coherent TFD request. --Daniel 17:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think it's a fine argument. Since when do we discount opinions because of the way they are stated. I have seen many TFD votes with no argument at all or a Keep as per so and so.--God of War 18:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this and other simplistic, divisive userboxes. Junes 15:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this too, because I am a jackbooted thug this is unnecessarily divisive. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 16:14, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The wording may be strong but the platform limited government has been around forever. While the USA isn't a police state right now, it seems to be headed in that direction with the way Dubya is expanding the powers of government, puttting footnotes on bills saying that the law does not apply to the president and consolidating all of the power in the legislative branch of government.--God of War 18:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete and put the creator in jail As per: — Ilyanep (Talk) 18:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Userboxes of a political or, more broadly, polemical, nature are bad for the project. They are attractive to the wrong kinds of people, and they give visitors the wrong idea of what it means to be a Wikipedian. ~ The godking himself
      • COMMENT The quote above was added by user:Ilyanep who cleverly tries to manipulate the discussion by pretending Jimbo commented on it. Larix 18:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP Freedom of expression. Wikipedia isn't a police state. Larix 18:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per all the above, with the obvious exception of the delete votes. --D-Day 19:02, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong KEEP, if you want to take it seriously, then we have the right to say it. If you find it funny, then you find it funny and there is no reason to delete it... but it should stay both ways. --Bky1701 19:05, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - strongly worded and controversial, but not uncivil or disruptive. As long as people restrict these opinions to their userspace, I don't see why it's such a problem. Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 19:26, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is freedom of speech, and user pages are not NPOV-bound! Userboxes are not intended to greatly improve the encyclopedia, as they go on user pages, so why is it such a problem? If you dont like the userbox, dont use it! - • | Đܧ§§Ť | • T | C 20:00, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Eleanor Roosevelt rightly observed that no one can offend you without your consent. It's every user's responsibility to maintain a thick skin on the Internet; Wikipedia is not censored for the protection of anything in particular. Adrian Lamo ·· 20:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. -- Dalbury(Talk) 21:10, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:StarWarsWiki

Template:StarWarsWiki (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete. Not a Wikipedia sister project. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 04:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete... while we ♥ other wikis, only Wikimedia projects get the box link, and, I'm sorry, but Wookiepedia isn't a primary source, so doesn't belong anywhere on the main article pages. -- Netoholic @ 05:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per above. Dustimagic *\o/* (talk/contribs) *\o/* 07:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I wouldnt be against them having an external link template like memory alpha. ive voted delete for other external link templates to other wikis but they were all start-up wikis with barely any content, this seems in the league of memory alpha, I havnt checked thoroughly mind. Discordance 16:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Doesn't the Death Star in the logo violate WP:FUC? Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 19:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. -- Dalbury(Talk) 21:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom - • | Đܧ§§Ť | • T | C 21:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Al-Salam poeti

Template:Al-Salam poeti (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The template only has one valid link (out of six). None of the sister ships have articles yet, and it's only the Boccaccio 98 which has an "interesting" story. As it is now, there's no point in it. kallemax 01:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 02:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't want to judge the template if there were more functioning links... but, without them it doesn't seem to be worthwhile. gren グレン ? 05:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom.--Zxcvbnm 17:02, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. -- Dalbury(Talk) 21:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]