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Any interest in revitalizing the Polish History Task Force?

Is everyone here aware that there is a Polish History Task Force that was originally a WikiProject but was taskforcized into WikiProject European History? The Task Force (and the European History Project, for that matter) could definitely use some more interested editors.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 21:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I am of course aware of that, but I am not sure if anybody else cares :( --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

drive the Poles back to Warsaw

Gayk Bzhishkyan - Isn't the phrase derogatory?Xx236 (talk) 09:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Bombing of Wieluń Nazi apology and Vandalism

Xx236 (talk) 13:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Err... what? How about you try to use full sentences? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

You have the link to Bombing of Wieluń and long lists of edits both of the article and discussion.Xx236 (talk) 06:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Right, but the current version doesn't seem to be a Nazi apology. And since hundreds of articles are targeted by neo-Nazi vandals, I am not seeing what makes this one special? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

"Other version of the events" whitewashes the Luftwaffe, claiming there were (unidentified) Polish troops in Wieluń or near Wieluń. The editor attacked later a German journalist "asking" if he was a Stasi informant. I don't have a source against the "Wehrmacht Soldaten" book, however a German reader describes the book (on Amazon) as a voice of a WWII (Wehrmacht) participant (rather than a neutral opinion). I haven't found any academic opinion about the book, which suggests that the value of the book is low.Xx236 (talk) 07:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

BTW, Szymon Datner says that the Luftwaffe destroied totally or partially about 150 towns. I don't have the exact quote nor original source (around 1960).Xx236 (talk) 07:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Podhorodecki, Leszek (1978). Stanisław Koniecpolski ok. 1592–1646.

I'll not have access to this till XMAS. If you do, please consider adding refs/clarifications to Stanisław Koniecpolski, so it can regain its Featured status. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Renaming discussions

Talk:Michał Korybut Wiśniowiecki and Talk:Jadwiga Jagiellon (1513–1573) can use your input. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:53, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

most popular pages

Does anybody know why WikiProject Poland most popular pages don't show up here? [1] Loosmark (talk) 15:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Personally I love the idea of having the Wikipedia:WikiProject Poland/Popular pages featured, but first, someone needs to create it. That's a lot of meticulous formatting. I wonder, would anybody be willing to put in the time and effort? How about User:Kpalion... let's give him a big smile. A good example of an already existing page can be found here. --Poeticbent talk 15:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand, create what exactly? Loosmark (talk) 16:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

i've found it!! [2] Loosmark (talk) 16:42, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Good job. Anyhow, we don't have a Wikipedia page called Wikipedia:WikiProject Poland/Popular pages, like some other Portals i.e. Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia/Popular pages. Out of curiosity, I just checked the Most Viewed Articles and found out that Poland was ranked at 439 among the "top 1000" last year with 221,271 views in September. --Poeticbent talk 15:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm really surprised that the Polish culture during World War II is so popular nearly 2,6 times more than Poland and nearly 5x times as many as Frédéric Chopin, interesting. Loosmark (talk) 17:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

That's because it was featured on the front page of Wikipedia on September 1st. Please, see the archive of Wikipedia:Today's featured article/September 2009 for more info. Cheers, Poeticbent talk 18:18, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Soviet invasion of Poland

The article whitewashes Soviet Union misquoting Cienciala, twice.Xx236 (talk) 07:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Misquoting how? I am pretty sure I added her as a source years back; how is it incorrect (and who altered the original statements)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Requested move of World War II evacuation and expulsion articles

I recently began a centralized discussion for the renaming of population transfer or forced migrations relating to WWII. Users in this area have shown interest in the topic in the past so I wanted to bring the discussion at Talk:World_War_II_evacuation_and_expulsion#Requested_move to your attention. --Labattblueboy (talk) 13:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing

According to Rudy Rummel [3] Poland (not Communist Poland or Bierut's Slaughterhouse) was a lesser megamurderer. Rummel's texts are quoted e.g. in Expulsion of Germans after World War II. I'm not a fan of Communist Poland but the numbers given by Rummel are absurd. The majority of the victims died during the war, before any Polish administration was created in given area. Xx236 (talk) 08:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

NOTICE. Request For Comment: Changes to Naming policies which may affect WikiProject naming conventions.

Following recent changes by some editors to the Wikipedia:Naming conventions policy page, a Request For Comment, (RFC) is now being held to debate the removal of the passage specifying that individual WikiProject and other naming conventions are able to make exceptions to the standard policy of using Common Names as the titles of Wikipedia articles.

This WikiProject is being notified since it operates such a specific naming convention. Editors are invited to comment on the proposed change at this location. Xandar 01:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

The above "notification" is a grossly biased misrepresentation of the changes under discussion. The old version of the naming conventions policy tried to lay down binding rules; we don't work that way, so it was necessary also to make explicit exceptions. The new version articulates principles, and allows for consensus to establish how they should be applied. Thus there is no longer any need for exceptions. In fact, making exceptions is nonsense, since there are no rules to make exceptions to. These changes are good for specific conventions. Xandar is trying to induce moral panic in those who stand to gain the most from this. Xandar is only opposed to the new version because he thinks the wording, not the general thrust, weakens his position in a dispute unrelated to this RfC. Don't be fooled. Hesperian 02:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

NKVD special camps

The author uses German names of Polish cities, eg. Rawitsch. The author wages a war against me. Xx236 (talk) 13:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not allowed to edit certain articles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Result_concerning_Xx236

Thank you for those who have supported me. Xx236 (talk) 07:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Collectivization in the Soviet Union was a population transfer

Collectivization in the Soviet Union: "According to official Soviet figures some 24 million peasants disappeared from rural areas". This includes extermination and transfer of at least 200 000 ethnic Poles. 24 million is more than 12 million, isn't it? The only way to "prove" that 12 million is more than 24 million is to say that Collectivization wasn't a population transfer. The same German actions during WWII caused the expulsion of more than 12 million people. Xx236 (talk) 08:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)