Category talk:Lists of Roman Catholic dioceses
Category is unnecessary
[edit]This duplicates the structure found elsewhere. I've moved the articles to more appropriate homes (diocesan parish articles should not be here). Lists of the national category already exists. Individual lists for each country don't need a separate 'list by name', as the country structure lists are too short.Benkenobi18 (talk) 08:06, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Category: List of dioceses
[edit]Discussion moved from my talk page.
Unfortunately this list category duplicates content that is found elsewhere. See: "List of Catholic dioceses by alphabetical or List of Catholic dioceses by Structure". Having a category for Catholic lists is fine, but that already exists. Benkenobi18 (talk) 09:31, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Benkenobi18: If you find duplicate categories, I suggest nominating them for merger at WP:CFD. I can't find duplicate categories with the names you suggested though, care to provide a link? Categories and lists are different things, they are not duplicates of one another. See WP:Categories vs lists. All I saw was you removing List of dioceses in... articles from categories which have the word Lists in the name, and at first sight this seems wrong. List articles should be placed somewhere in the Category:Lists structure, and Category:Lists of Roman Catholic dioceses, which you emptied, is a valid intersection. Place Clichy (talk) 09:50, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- The category had eight entries in it. Six of them were diocesan articles that were at the wrong level, which should be in the diocesan cats where I moved them. That leaves two. The one you readded and one other. I think that "Catholic-church related lists" is a better list category for those two rather than a 'list of Catholic diocese lists". also, please note that the Category, "lists of Catholic dioceses in a country" already contains the individual lists for all the catholic countries, making this category a duplicate of the content there. Benkenobi18 (talk) 09:56, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_Roman_Catholic_dioceses_by_country.
- @Benkenobi18: OK, you can indeed argue that you feel that Category:Lists of Roman Catholic dioceses by country is sufficient and that Category:Lists of Roman Catholic dioceses is "unneeded overcategorization". However, there are many cases when a perfectly valid category has most of its content within a by-country subcategory. Here, I see the following content eligible for the root category rather than the by-country category: List of Catholic dioceses (structured view), List of Catholic dioceses (alphabetical), List of Catholic dioceses in Europe, List of Catholic dioceses in the Balkans, Category:Lists of Roman Catholic dioceses in countries by name etc. Anyway, what is or is not overcategorization is defined by guidelines established by consensus rather than just personal opinion, and if you believe that consensus is against having a category gathering diocese lists, I invite you to nominate the category at WP:CFD rather than emptying or blanking it out of process. Place Clichy (talk) 11:12, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_Roman_Catholic_dioceses_by_country.
- The category had eight entries in it. Six of them were diocesan articles that were at the wrong level, which should be in the diocesan cats where I moved them. That leaves two. The one you readded and one other. I think that "Catholic-church related lists" is a better list category for those two rather than a 'list of Catholic diocese lists". also, please note that the Category, "lists of Catholic dioceses in a country" already contains the individual lists for all the catholic countries, making this category a duplicate of the content there. Benkenobi18 (talk) 09:56, 2 February 2019 (UTC)