Talk:Will Arbery

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 19:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Will Arbery's view that the American media shallowly examined supporters of Donald Trump during the 2016 presidential election “crystallized” his desire to write his play Heroes of the Fourth Turning? Source: “In the wake of the seismic 2016 presidential election, playwright Will Arbery remembers all too well bewildered news reporters flocking to diners and cafes across the Midwest to speak with Trump voters and trying to understand their allegiance to the candidate.

  “These tender little photo-realistic portraits, they were so superficial and ignored what these people actually believed,” Arbery says in a phone interview. “It felt so disingenuous — and also a disservice to the actual subjects because they have real agitations, obsessions, and beliefs that were getting glossed over.”

  The media’s shallow examination of Donald Trump supporters “crystalized” Arbery’s desire to write a play in which “those beliefs were really said out loud and given their due, so that we could look at them and actually process those differences.”” The Boston Globe

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Moved to mainspace by Thriley (talk), Sdkb (talk), and Outfortrout (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 22:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC).

•  Reviewing... EmphasisMine (talk) 20:35, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - Some citations are bare URLs, including the one supporting the hook. Please replace with full citations.

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - Minor inconsistency between source and article/hook: source says that Arbery reacted to media coverage "in the wake of" Trump's election, that is, after the election rather than "during" it. Article and hook should be revised to match the source on this.
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - I'd favour rewording the in-article sentence that supports the hook: "Arbery’s idea for the play 'crystallized' after being personally dissatisfied ...". As it was Arbery himself rather than his idea that was dissatisfied, I'd suggest changing "after being personally dissatisfied" to "after he was personally dissatisfied".

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, adequately sourced and free of copyvios, and hook is interesting. Just needs the bare URLs to be replaced with full citations, and straightforward revisions to the hook as indicated above. EmphasisMine (talk) 21:28, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

The bare URLs have now been replaced, thanks to User:Sdkb. EmphasisMine (talk) 20:14, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

• @EmphasisMine: Ready for you to take another look. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:34, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

The issues I raised with the wording of the hook and article haven't been addressed. Should I make the edits I asked for myself? (I'm new to reviewing and am not sure if this is allowed or encouraged.) EmphasisMine (talk) 18:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@EmphasisMine: It's certainly allowed, although traditionally Thriley as the nominator would be the one to make them, so pinging them. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:37, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@EmphasisMine: I just changed the wording. Sorry for the delay. Thank you for for review. Thriley (talk) 23:51, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@EmphasisMine: I just changed the wording of the hook to match the source. Thriley (talk) 23:56, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Thriley: Thanks! Where the hook and article refer to coverage of Trump supporters "during" the election, I'm still not sure this is exactly supported by the Boston Globe's reference to "the wake of" the election. Would you consider it acceptable to make the article and hook a little less specific about the timing – something like "... that the American media shallowly examined supporters of Donald Trump's 2016 presidential election campaign ..."? EmphasisMine (talk) 17:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

• ALT1 that Will Arbery's view that the American media shallowly examined supporters of Donald Trump's 2016 presidential election campaign “crystallized” his desire to write his play Heroes of the Fourth Turning? Thriley (talk) 19:56, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@EmphasisMine: I’ve fixed the article and made a new hook. Look ok? Thriley (talk) 19:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Thriley: Yes, this is good to go now with ALT1. EmphasisMine (talk) 19:39, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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