User talk:Caspian blue/3

The page is open to everyone except vandals, trolls, outlaws, and stalkers If your comment here is once removed, please do not restore or revert this page to show yours again. Since this page is my talk page, I clean up any of irrelevant, inappropriate, unhelpful, or especially uncivil comments. Regards--Caspian blue (talk) 11:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Let's learn Korean

안녕~	훗,	옛다 관심~

Meatpuppet?

Bouncehoper: What the crap is a meatpuppet?

Baegis: A marionette that subsists on a diet solely of meat and its derivatives.

Bouncehoper: ...How is that different than a sockpuppet? (also, makes me hungry....)

Baegis: Sockpuppets, of course, eat cotton products, which are severely lacking in nutrition and deliciousness.

Bouncehoper: How....strange....lol. thanks!

from Baegis's talk page

Email

You said I could e-mail you but you never gave me your e-mail there.--Chef Tanner (talk) 21:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

ah, I never realized that was there haha.--Chef Tanner (talk) 22:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

New name

Ah, the weather... as good a reason for changing names as any, I guess! I remember the summers in Korea-- I loved Fall and Spring, could tolerate Winter, but summer? Hot, muggy, sticky, sudden downpours... Nah... Here it only gets 113 degrees or so in the summer, but it's a dry heat... Dekkappai (talk) 00:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Korean cuisine template

Kinda tired and need to get up early tomorrow, i will look at it in the afternoon when I get home. I think it is a great concept, I think it just needs to have more working links though. We'll talk more about it tomorrow, oh and call me Chris, my last name is Tanner.Chef Tanner (talk) 04:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I looked at it also, and it looks great! fix the links and I would take it live ASAP. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 08:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Korea/Popular culture + manhwa

Hola. I just figured out who you are...your earlier comment about changing your name had puzzled me. :) I came here after viewing the Zombie Hunter article history of edit wars over use of the word "manga". It was like deja-vu, ha ha. Anyway, what actually brought me here was that you'd tagged said article with a WP Korea/Popular culture working group template, and I'm hoping you'll take a moment to pop over to my user talk page and respond to some questions I have about manhwa articles in general. I'm inviting a couple other folks to the chat too, and want to centralize the discussion. Thanks so much!! --hamu♥hamu (talk) 12:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

invitation to join the Korea group

Let me think about it; I'm not Korean nor do I have a connection to the country, other than liking the food. Does that matter? Queenmomcat (talk) 15:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: As your advice at WP:AIV

It is not vandalism. You are both disputing over content. Take it to WP:ANI, but not WP:AIV. Gary King (talk) 18:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Korean food

You're welcome! I'm glad to know the "article polishing" wasn't taken amiss; I was trying to edit only for grammar, vocabulary and the like. I'm still feeling around the etiquette aspects of Wikipedia. Queenmomcat (talk) 20:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Damn good work

		The Half Barnstar
		You and Chris have finally taken the Korean cuisine article to where it can and should have always been. Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 16:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Anna May Wong

Thanks, Caspian! That was a long, hard process, but it turned out for the best. And now I can breathe easy and look for a new major project! Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 19:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Username

Hello. The origin of this username is described here. I have on my userpage source of this translation. If vandal-fighting with this username is offensive I will stop reverting edits, because unified accounts cannot be renamed and I don't want to experiment with buggy deletion of global account. Invisible Idiot (talk) 16:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for advice! :-) Invisible Idiot (talk) 16:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Manhwa project is a go!

I've just been informed that manhwa and other Asian comics have a home in the Comics Wikiproject's World Comics working group! Their omission from the scope was an accidental oversight, and will be rectified in the near future. Please head over to the project and add your name to the general participants list as well as the world comics participants list, and start tagging manhwa articles' talk pages with the group's template. Go ahead and add Korea Wikiproject's template, too, if it's not already there. Please also check out the working group's talk page, where I'm about to start a very rough list of possible tasks. I'm really excited and look forward to working with you! --hamu♥hamu (talk) 03:57, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks for your compliments! Right now we're just hacking out some really basic stuff, so drop by whenever you're able -- no rush. :) --hamu♥hamu (TALK) 22:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar and FYI, Kirill and I decided those were likely Davkal socks and I tagged as such, as well as blocked all three. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

need some help from TKD article(JJL)

Yesterday, i read carefully Talk:Taekwondo/Archive 4, but there is no one permitted JJL's edit. by the mediation(Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Taekwondo), mediators are not accept JJL's POV edit. but i still do not understand why article is remained JJL's pov edit. may i ask you, if you are not busy please participate in this discussion.[1]Manacpowers (talk) 04:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hwang Jin-i (TV series)

Hi, Caspian. I don't know if you noticed, but this very notable TV series has been put up for deletion. I've done a little work on it, but a series as notable as this no doubt has a lot more that can be written on it. If you can point me to some good Korean articles on it, I'll try to work through them for some information, and at least add them as more sourcing to the article. (Also-- I try to stay out of this kind of thing, since I have a strong interest in both Japan and Korea-- but Kusunose's editing of Kim Dae-jung's birthplace has me wondering if he considers anyone born in Japan between 1945 and 1952 as "American births?"... :-) Dekkappai (talk) 21:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, we all have our biases, we just have to keep them out of our editing. Maybe he just had a moment of weakness... I'm having some very strange bot-trouble with the image to the TV series also. It's been tagged twice as unsourced, when the source is quite plainly there... I'd hate to see as lovely an image as that be deleted for no good reason. :-) Dekkappai (talk) 21:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't want to guess about his honne, as long as Wiki-tatemae is observed, we will be OK... Though with these absurd AfDs, and officially-approved vandalism-by-bot, I sometimes have very serious doubts about Wiki-tatemae too! :-) Anyway, I'll try to get the Hwang Jin-i article up to decent quality in time. Dekkappai (talk) 22:02, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Caspian. I just wanted to point out your comment on AfD "..I don't understand the nominator's definition of "'notability'" was innappropriate. I think this comment was innappropriate, even if you made it unintentionally. Better re-phrased would have been "This article meets the definition of WP:N because...", and you would have gotten your point across just as much, or even more effectively, and would have avoided making it personal. Cheers, for now. Halifax Nomad (talk) 23:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

To me, your above comment is inappropriate.--Caspian blue (talk) 23:20, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I'm overthinking it, I agree there. I only singled out your comment because you have already pointed out some of my flaws. :) As far as other people using that comment, maybe that's so, but that doesn't make it right, or the best way of arguing your point. And when you you use the phrase "you're a newbie, so...", again you're focusing on me rather than my argument which goes against the spirit of wikipedia. Anyways, I don't want to get in an argument about it. I'm not here to be hostile and I will say no more about it. Halifax Nomad (talk) 23:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not retaliation. If it was, I would have waited to go to an admin. I'm not petty like that, and I won't. As for why I didn't mention anything to Dekkappai, I felt he was out of line actually, definitely more so than you. Not intentionally, just taking something personally that isn't personal. But since I haven't dealt with him already, I didn't feel comfortable mentioning anything to him. You've spoken with me before, and I feel you're rational enough to take advice (and give it) and to stay civil about it in a conversation. Halifax Nomad (talk) 23:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

(ce) Just my 2-cents: I find it odd to pick out Caspian's comment, when I was the one who got really hot under the collar over the AfD. However I think Caspian's comment is entirely appropriate-- it is the opinion, not the user, that he questioned. My comments also, though more passionate, still address the argument, the AfD, not the user. I don't think either Caspian or I ever "attacked" the nominator in any way, only the AfD and the arguments. Also, I don't feel it is inappropriate to become upset over a clearly inappropriate AfD, which I think this one is. It wastes the time of a lot of editors, and it potentially removes perfectly good information from Wikipedia. If the article is poorly written and sourced, we can fix this, but an AfD is not a constructive way to ask another editor to work on an article. Dekkappai (talk) 23:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Citations on Korean Cuisine

Hey there, I have been adding citations in what is known as Chicago format, and just to keep in consistency would like to keep new citations in that format. The citation templates you are using are actually not any real format, they are sort of a bastardization of Harvard citation and citation formats shouldn't be mixed. As I have used Chicago format in all the other cuisine articles, as has Peter Isotola (spelling?) from WikiProject Food and Drink, I would like to keep it that way, i hope you don't mind. It is the most popularly used citation format in academic humanities writing, which cuisine writing falls under.Chef Tanner (talk) 01:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It is what we use in this sort of academic writing in American universities though, I can say it is a bias of mine, but based upon my academic work in universities and how this type of work is usually published in the humanities.--Chef Tanner (talk) 02:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

BTW, thanks for the comment on the DYK entry for Korean cuisine.Chef Tanner (talk) 02:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Well that dishes section is just an atrocity right now. I can't work on it until next week though. Real life has precedence right now.Chef Tanner (talk) 02:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I have sources to edit that, but just don't have them with me here. I'm away from home right now visiting a historic site for research. I won't be able to do any work again until next Monday.Chef Tanner (talk) 02:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

ANI

Hey, got your note about the ANI and I'm keeping my eye on it. Try to keep your temper in check. Your English is excellent, but I've noticed when you get riled up, it gets a bit more Engrishy and hard to understand. :) I'd just tell you to ignore him and what he does on his talk page, but I know it's not that easy. --hamu♥hamu (TALK) 06:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Songpa-gu

Hi, Caspian. I'll try to watch my temper and keep us both out of trouble today :-) I noticed an anon edited my old neighborhood-- Songpa-gu-- to add the fact that it has a female mayor now. I copy-edited the sentence, but couldn't find a good source for her election in July of 2006, though I did find her name all over in the news. Dekkappai (talk) 18:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Caspian! I liked that place a lot and visit the old neighborhood whenever I'm back in Seoul. When I was there, you could look one way and see farmland, and the other way and see city. Now it's all city... :-( Dekkappai (talk) 03:39, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Right, I lived there not long after Olympic Park was built. Dekkappai (talk) 06:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the welcome! Ron James 007 (talk) 22:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

TKD

I need some help. I know you are neutral editor. I'm not a native english. My english is not a pretty well. JJL rv. my edit and reason is "ungrammatical". if you are not busy, can you help me correct grammar in "Modern taekwondo" part? He rv. again again... pushing POV as possilbe as he can. i do not think my edit part is ungrammatical.(actually, quote from english source) 만약 한국인이시면 문법 편집좀 도와주세요. 그냥 중립이라고만 하지말고, 사실 학계에서 JJL의 가라데POV는 극히 소수인데, JJL은 그것을 정론으로 기입하려는 것이 문제라고 생각합니다. Manacpowers (talk) 05:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

APPLE TREES

Hello. Is this you?? Why did you change your name? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 12:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool blue huh? Sometimes its good for a change. Perhaps I should change my name to Goldfinger and become a fat slob obsessed with gold and hire a Korean henchman to kill people with his hat? LOL. I could have sworn there was already another user with a similar name! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

You have a tooth made from gold. Thats cool! See Goldie LOL. Yes I like my user name but I was considering adding a "Doctor" element to it to emphasise the "evil" of Blofeld. A doctorate in evil medicine lol. What about you, do you have any projects in the pipeline any articles you are working towards a GA or FA in? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes Goldie isn't cool. Bling just shows he is a pauper trying to to look rich, typical chav! I read the Korean cuisine article a few weeks back and looked good. One thing that threw me though was why the main image of the article was red linked? I thought we'd have a seperate article on it! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL have a look at the first two names in Template:NorseMythology. "Baldr" and "Friggin". Hehe ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Ye or Bathory or Opeth. LOL. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 14:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... I've been thinking of changing my name to something that had a good meaning in both Korean and Japanese. But "The_Friggin_Baldr"? You give something to think about there. Blofeld... Might suit me well. :-) Dekkappai (talk) 15:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Now heres a bad ass. See Chan Shen. A Hong Kong Blofeld? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 20:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Moving misnamed Korean articles

Hey, I see you're doing some moving of Korean person articles that don't follow WP:NC-KO. I posted about that at WP:KOREA a little while ago, and never got any answer. You've been around longer than me - is that something that's done on a regular basis? I'd sure like to do it because right now wikilinking is a freaking nightmare. :) Oh but aren't they supposed to be lower case after the hyphen? (damn wikipedia case sensitivity) --hamu♥hamu (TALK) 04:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh yes, I knew about the surname first. I was wondering whether the part after the hyphen is supposed to be capitalized.  :) --hamu♥hamu (TALK) 04:29, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL I wasn't sure! --hamu♥hamu (TALK) 04:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Rfa thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA. The Rfa was successful with 64 Support and 1 Neutral. None of this would have happened without your support. I would also like to thank my nominator Wizardman and my sensei/co-nom bibliomaniac15--Lenticel (talk) 09:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Myungbaksanseong

이 단어은 명백히 propaganda목적(단어를 널리 선전하는)으로 올린 것입니다. 도저히 유행어에도 되지 않는 단어입니다.--H.L.LEE (talk) 01:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Dear, Hyolee2, I understand your concern, but the template is not really necessary for the article, because anyone who objects to the tagging, it could be easily removed as I did. If you're so concerned about the neologism being here, try to put {{subst:AFD}} with plausible rationales. Then I will leave my input there as would others --Caspian blue (talk) 01:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Me

No, I am not 이형주님 in Korean Wiki, but strange, having a similar weiting style with someone. Happy editing! (PS: I'm jimmy0704 in Korean Wiki.)Jimmy0704 (talk) 11:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Films

Well, in my experience, most American film audiences are actually far more provincial than either Koreans or Japanese. In Korea or Japan it's pretty commonplace to watch a foreign film, but in America-- unless you're in a big city-- it's something unusual, and probably the vast majority never do-- unless it's a dubbed Godzilla movie or a "Spaghetti Western"... I know Korea blocked Japanese films for many decades-- I "smuggled" copies of Seven Samurai and Ikiru into Korea once to show them to my in-laws. The films amazed them in many ways... Anyway, about Yasujirō Ozu-- he's definitely not for everyone's taste, far too slow and contemplative for most American audiences, certainly, and even some of my Korean and Japanese relatives fine him too slow. I was lucky to grow up with Mizoguchi and Ozu though. Watching Ozu now, decades later, as an adult, I appreciate a lot more of the depth under the stillness of his films. Yes-- definitely, look for some and give them a try. Dekkappai (talk) 17:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, the Japanese love their dynamic movies too, you know :-) Check out the exploitation films of the late '60s and '70s-- the Scorpion series or some of the better works of Norifumi Suzuki or Teruo Ishii-- wild and crazy stuff! I do agree that the Japanese cinema has fallen on hard times while the Korean cinema has risen. Not only the anime but all that boring, childish (to me) horror stuff... all the same thing... As a matter of fact one reason I put off watching Spider Forest so long was that I thought it would be just another boring horror movie. (It turned out to be one of my favorite movies of recent years.) Takeshi Kitano is about the only Japanese director I know of working today that I really like-- at least every movie of his I've seen-- I've seen three, I think. Other prominent directors today, like Kiyoshi Kurosawa, remind me of Korea's Kim Ki-duk-- talented, but aimless, they never fulfill the promise of their ideas... Anyway, if you get a chance, give Ozu a chance-- some of the greatest films ever made anywhere, I think, and many film critics say the same. Dekkappai (talk) 19:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Anti-American sentiment in Korea

Anti-American sentiment in Korea에 미군 여중생 장갑차 살인사건에 대한 한국 내의 반미감정에 대한 내용이 전혀없네요. 정작 한국에서는 당시 동계올림픽 사건 보다 더 큰 화두였는데도 영문 위키에는 여중생 살해 사건이 단 한개의 문장도 없습니다. 죄송한 말씀이지만 아무래도 저보다 영어실력이 뛰어나신 님께서 이 부문을 만들어 보시는 게 어떨까요? --Historiographer (talk) 16:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Pardon me for butting in-- Do we already have an article on that incident started, Historiographer? It seems to me certainly "notable" enough for its own article. And if we do have one started, it can be summarized and sourced and put into the Anti-American sentiment in Korea article. I wouldn't think it needs a large section at that article, since, though it's a major source for the sentiment today, really, it's only a relatively recent one. The sentiment itself goes back at least half a century, I would think. Anyway-- the subject is outside of my normal editing area, but if you need copyedit/English help, I'll be happy to help. Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 16:41, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, just looking over the article-- it looks like it's becoming a sort of a list of incidents and "in pop culture"... (do The Host and that one song really deserve entire sections here?-- it seems to tilt the article far towards recent events and pop culture...) I'd recommend making it into more a discussion of the sentiment, its origins, its influence, and working these individual incidents and expression into the body of the narrative. Also, to avoid being labeled "POV", an article like this one should be extra careful to provide sourcing and try to present the story in a neutral tone of voice. Just my thoughts though, and I won't be working much on the article, but good luck with it! Dekkappai (talk) 17:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Right-- I understand, and I agree... it seems to me the kind of thing that Wikipedia does worst, since people's emotions and biases get involved. It's completely worthy of an article, not one I'd be interested in working on though. True-- I was trying to put it diplomatically-- but the article looks like a collection of what one editor could think of off the top of his head. A subject like this could have a good, encyclopedic, historically-based article though. So I'm just offering help on English copyedit, thinking that this is the kind of thing that will come up for deletion on baseless grounds like "poor English". Anyway, take care, and cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 17:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Hwajeon

On 28 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hwajeon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 20:08, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Name change ;)

I never knew you changed names :) I went to notify "Appletrees" of the Korea library discussion and then realised you were already well aware ;) _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 12:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

No worries. I too am surprised re: the lack of a libraries wikiproject. That's, in part, why I adopted libraries and galleries in the museums deletion sorting, that's how I became aware of the AfD. I'm a bit busy the next couple of week's with a friend's wedding and then moving but if you want to see about starting a project, I'm happy to help. Let me know _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 15:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Claude Debussy

The Opera Project works closely with the other classical music projects. Where a composer is less than 50% opera we leave the article in the primary care of the Composers Project. If the Opera Project banner appears on an article it means it is included in automated lists such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Cleanup listing. This may not be appropriate. In this case I just removed the banner following a complaint. Can you possibly unrevert now? --Kleinzach 04:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I was frequently editing opera articles long ago, mostly French operas. Although Debussy composed a few operas, he left a big step in opera history and I only follow such view as do others (somebody might put the banner for that reason obviously). Besides, I'm also a member of WikiProject Museum and it is not odd that museum articles have somewhat overlapped wikiproject banners such as WP:WikiProject Architecture and WP:WikiProject Museum. Therefore, I can't agree with your point of view. Sorry.--Caspian blue (talk)

First of all I do know Pelléas et Mélisande quite well. It's important to understand that banners are not for readers, they are linked with categories which are used by bots for automatic sorting. If articles are in the wrong batches it wastes the time of (human) editors. Debussy is correctly categorized as an 'opera composer' and is present in a number of Category:Opera-related lists. (You can check this out.) In this case Debussy was incorrectly tagged for work by the Opera Project because of the Opera banner. I don't do edit wars so I'm not reverting. I hope you will read this comment, understand my point and revert yourself. You don't need to apologize but please understand that banners are not just decorative spam as you appear to be suggesting. Thank you for reading this. --Kleinzach 05:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I do not think that banner is a decorative spam as you accuse. (I'm hurt by your reckless comment). Besides, I DO KNOW well the suggested list and article because I translated them into Korean for Korean Wikiproject. Besides, I did not apologize to you at all. "sorry" means "regretful" as well. I do have no intention to revert the talk page myself.--Caspian blue (talk) 05:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

So, please tell me: what are banners for? Do you know? --Kleinzach 06:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Manacpowers

As you appear to be flaunt in Korean and English could you translate some of the comments (or a summary of them) for Manacpowers as he appears to have misunderstood several of my, an other editors, contributions and intentions on Talk:Taekwondo. Thanks for your time --Nate1481(^t/_c) 09:21, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD/DRV

Annyeong haseyo. Except for counting to 10 and naming a few Tae-Kwan-Do techniques, that completely exhausts my grasp of Korean  : )

I've commented at the DRV (and of course Gwen's page) that the close was technically proper and correct. However, that doesn't mean that the all information need be lost. It might be very reasonable to place at least some of the info into a related article, along with the proper cites and refs. Personally I don't know enough about the topic to suggest a specific article, but you seem very familiar with it yourself, so I'm sure you could think of something. I wanted to mention this just in case you didn't realize it was a possibility. Doc Tropics 17:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC) PS - I really enjoyed the pictures on your page, very nice!