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RfC: AC/DC's Current Drummer[edit]

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
There is no consensus in the discussion on who the current drummer is. AlbinoFerret 02:16, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Is the current drummer of AC/DC Phil Rudd or Chris Slade? --Bark (talk) 14:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Chris Slade. (1)Plenty of sources document the situation, i.e. Rudd is in serious legal issues, Slade is the drummer on a previous album, Slade is the current drummer touring, Slade is in the band's most recent publicity photos, etc. (2)If the situation changes, further edits can be made to reflect said changes. (3)I believe some here may have ownership feelings, using the term "consensus" but in reality mean "attrition" to keep the article to their liking, not stating what their personal threshold for making the proposed change would be in exact, SPECIFIC terms. --Bark (talk) 15:06, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
The way we always handle stuff like this at articles like Toto (band) is that the "official" members are those listed on the band's web site. If they also have a revolving door of "touring" musicians, those are maintained in a separate section based on reliable sources stating who is touring with the band. It is always a challenge for Toto because they had a guy (Mike Porcaro) who they continued to list as the band's bass player even though he had not been active for many years due to health issues. If you apply that logic to this article, I would list Phil Rudd as the drummer (since if you go to AC/DC's web site and click "The Band", he is there as the drummer), and list Chris Slade as a touring musician. --Laser brain (talk) 15:28, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Laser_brain, then Stevie Young should not be in, Malcom Young should be in, and Bon Scott should also be in...despite being dead! The web site is a bit problematic for this band, no? --Bark (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
RUDD! Slade is a fag. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
MrBark might need to read WP:AGF – it's got nothing to do with ownership of articles and everything to do with WP:V. Slade was announced for the Grammys and the tour, not as a permanent member. Nothing whatsoever has been said about Rudd leaving the band. If you want exact, specific terms (if they're not obvious already), we need a statement from the band or possibly the record company saying that Slade has joined permanently or that Rudd is no longer a member of the band. I also agree with Laser brain's comments. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Bretonbanquet, I'm trying to assume good faith, and that was where I began here on this issue. --Bark (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
It is Chris Slade. He is the current drummer as he is doing the job of the current drummer. If Phil Rudd or another drummer takes his place, he can be returned to past members category. The question is how to list Rudd. I say that you can keep Rudd as current member, but somehow state that he is not actively drumming for the band. It's like an employee at work. If an employee has to take time off for whatever reason for an extended period of time, the person who replaced them is either called a substitute or pro-tem. Chris is either the substitute drummer until further notice, or I prefer drummer pro-tem. Either way, he is the current drummer while Phil is either fired or on leave. The bigger discussion is how to list Phil, not Chris. 67.224.16.233 (talk) 23:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)Jack B. Nimble
He is the current live drummer. At this stage we don't know anything else. Flat Out let's discuss it 03:37, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
With all due respect, if he was only the "live" drummer, how do you explain that he is also doing all the photos and music videos as well? 67.224.16.233 (talk) 02:36, 25 April 2015 (UTC)Jack B. Nimble

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Slade is a live drummer only because the album has been released and all they are doing is live work. Will Slade replace Rudd on the next album if there is one? Who knows. Will Slade do the whole tour? Who knows. We don't have a crystal ball. Flat Out talk to me 08:48, 25 April 2015 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── You are correct that we do not know the future. You did not address the fact that Slade is doing photos and music videos which is more than just live work. If Phil Rudd had been injured and they needed a live drummer to fill in for him, odds are, the live drummer would not do the photos and music video. This is not the case here. Wikipedia is fluid and can be changed as circumstances change and Chris Slade is the current drummer for AC/DC as he is discharging all the duties of the band's drummer by definition. As to whether he would do the next album, you are asking me to look into the crystal ball and holding this article up by trying to predict the future. I say again, currently, Slade is the drummer for AC/DC by definition. He is also a current member by definition. Phil Rudd may be a current member in the band, but by definition, he is not the current drummer. He is not performing any of the duties currently. 67.224.16.233 (talk) 13:57, 25 April 2015 (UTC)Jack B. Nimble

Until the band itself (or maybe the label) officially says otherwise... Rudd. Victão Lopes Fala! 22:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Per the Cambridge Dictionary, the definition of current is: (adjective) of the present time or most recent. Reference: http://dictionary.ca...
And the definition of member is: (noun) a person or thing that is part of a group. Reference: http://dictionary.ca...
Therefore, the sentence, Chris Slade is a current member of AC/DC is factually correct. I choose to exchange the word member for drummer (I don't suppose I need to look to the dictionary to define that) and the sentence is still factually correct.
It may be a sore spot for those who are "Ruddsters". However, this doesn't have to be a glass half-empty or a glass half-full argument. Sometimes the glass is twice as large as it needs to be, meaning, instead of arguing over semantics, there is a practical, and truthful approach to the matter. We do not know what Rudd's fate is nor do we know know if he is still a member. He may be a current member, but he is not the band's current drummer by definition. Chris's current status is not in doubt. Only his future. Therefore, it is possible to have Chris Slade listed as the current drummer as per definition, he is, and leave Phil as a current member, since we have no reliable source either way on his status. 67.224.16.233 (talk) 13:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)Jack B. Nimble
  • This is getting very old and repetitive, I move (again) to close this thread. Mlpearc (open channel) 21:11, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Updating the Article[edit]

Since I am still a "new" editor, I am unable to edit this semi-protected article. Could someone take a look at the section, "Rock or Bust, Rock or Bust World Tour, departure of Malcolm Young and Phil Rudd (2011–present)" and consider breaking it into smaller sections, and rewriting it in a manner that doesn't look like a bunch of snippets strung together? I would suggest a section covering the time between the end of the Black Ice World Tour and the recording of Rock or Bust 2011-2014, where they released Live at River Plate. It doesn't have to be a very long section, but then add a new section for Rock or Bust to present (2014 to present). The article also doesn't mention much about the tour, including the two shows at Coachella before heading to Europe. It could also be mentioned that the shows are all stadium shows with fireworks.

A link could be added to direct to the album:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_or_Bust A link could be added to direct to the tour: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_or_Bust_World_Tour

I am a new editor, and I suppose I could go through the motions of a formal edit request, but last time I did that, my sources got all mangled up on this talk page and it would be better to have a more experienced editor tackle this until such time as I gain the privilege to edit semi-protected articles. Thank you. Jack Bee Nimble (talk) 06:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC) Jack Bee Nimble

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2015[edit]

add Heavy Metal to the genre — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuhrman457 (talkcontribs) 21:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
X mark.svg Not done - there has been extensive discussion on this point and consensus reached that heavy metal is not representative of what the majority of reliable sources have to say about the subject. Flat Out (talk) 22:43, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Infobox image.[edit]

Hello, i have added a recent and clearer image, with a caption and alt, of the group in the infobox. I have moved the previous photo to the Black Ice (2008–11) section.