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List of songs recorded by A Perfect Circle[edit]

I was surprised to see there was not a List of songs recorded by A Perfect Circle. I redirected the page to here for now, but feel free to get a list going before me if you have time and interest. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:49, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

I've written/maintained most things APC since about 2010. I'd be knowledgable and helpful if someone went this route, though I've never really bothered with any of these song list articles. There doesn't seem to a guideline as to at which point it's acceptable for a band to have one, and there seems to be a 50/50 chance of them getting deleted at AFD as a result. I'm not sure they're prolific enough to warrant one... Sergecross73 msg me 17:05, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Why would anyone need such a list for APC songs? It's not like they have a myriad of b-sides spread across a dozen of singles and soundtracks -BlameRuiner (talk) 20:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

GA version[edit]

  • For reference in rewrite, here's what the article looked like when first made a GA on Sept 30, 2008. Sergecross73 msg me 16:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

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New source[edit]

WHYYYYY are there so many bare URLs in here?[edit]

Would anyone know a tool to quickly fill these in here? It looks silly on any article, let alone a GA on a band. 104.39.141.47 (talk) 23:57, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I did a massive rewrite because the old version was nowhere near the current day GA standards, which is much higher than back when this was made a GA. (Honestly I don't think it was even old standard GA level really.) I left the URLs bare - usually other people end up doing it. I must admit though, it's rather rare/bizarre to come across someone who knows enough to request ref formatting, but not enough to do it themselves. Sergecross73 msg me 00:24, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Well, I'll tell you right now, the above IP was me, and I would have, it's just my Reflinks bookmark was broken and I wasn't well informed. I don't use it a lot, but I see reason to use it here. Face-tongue.svg I went ahead and fixed it for you, I hope that doesn't obstruct anything. (It shouldn't, right?) dannymusiceditor Speak up! 17:10, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Ah, gotcha, that makes sense. Like I said, its pretty rare that someone cares enough about formatting refs, but not enough to make an account, haha. Thanks for doing it. Sergecross73 msg me 17:17, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm fine with your genre trimming in the infobox as well. They kept on getting tinkered with by random passerby editors, and I stopped caring as long as they were adding them as long as they were sourced in the body, which they all were. But that being said, the three you left really are the three core ones, so I'm fine either way. Sergecross73 msg me 17:24, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

The Doomed, fourth album draft[edit]

As I've recently added to the the article, the band released a teaser today for something called "The Doomed", without explaining if it referred to a song or an album. See sources like http://abcnewsradioonline.com/music-news/2017/10/13/a-perfect-circle-teases-something-called-the-doomed.html for details.

FYI, I've been working on a draft for the album in my userspace, at User:Sergecross73/APC4. If "The Doomed", or anything else, is announced as an album title, we should use the draft, rather than how it goes down sometimes, where a editor hastily throws together a single sentence article that gets sent to deletion because it looks like its too early to have an article. Sources have been discussing a future release for almost a decade. As soon as this album gets an actual name, there's more than enough sourcing available to prove the notability of the album. We just need a name, and I'll move it into the mainspace. Sergecross73 msg me 21:01, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Update: The Doomed is a song, has been released, and has an article, while the album still has no name, so it stays in the draft space. Sergecross73 msg me 20:29, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Supergroup[edit]

An IP is challenging the use of the term, so I figured I'd show that sources clearly, directly, and consistently use the label. This is what I found in less than a minute of searching. (So much more can be found if really needed.) All are deemed reliable and usable sources per WP:MUSIC/SOURCES.

  1. https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7617841/a-perfect-circle-first-tour-6-years
  2. https://pitchfork.com/news/watch-a-perfect-circles-new-music-video-for-the-doomed/
  3. https://www.spin.com/2017/06/a-perfect-circle-fall-tour/
  4. https://www.moderndrummer.com/2017/03/jeff-friedl-tour-perfect-circle/
  5. http://news.radio.com/2016/12/12/a-perfect-circle-2017-tour-dates/
  6. https://www.revolvermag.com/music/watch-perfect-circle-perform-new-single-doomed-live-first-time

Please stop removing it. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 13:51, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Genre[edit]

So, I don't really want to open up a full-on genre debate or anything (I rewrote the whole musical styles section to avoid that sort of stuff, which has brought relative stability to it since doing earlier in the year), but I wanted to make sure I get the few experienced editors that maintain the article in addition to myself all on the same page - Binksternet and DannyMusicEditor.

Bink, I think Danny's thought process is just that there were too many genre in the infobox, and in an effort to de-clutter, he removed genre with less sources in the musical styles section. I don't think he was contesting the validity of art rock as a genre, just that it wasn't one of the primary ones used to describe this band.

I generally support trimming lots of genre from the infobox to a few core ones...but I also believe that A Perfect Circle is one of those bands diverse enough to actually warrant a ton of them. (opposed to your realitively straight forward Nickelbacks and Breaking Benjamins of the world.) So really, I'm fine either way on this one, and a few of the other ones just used sometimes. Sergecross73 msg me 19:05, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

I weighed the sources and concluded that AllMusic and Oxford University Press should be represented in their analysis, as they are especially respected publications. And they're not alone in calling the band art rock. In the Spin piece "Hammer of the Gods", professional music reviewer Chris Norris describes how Keenan ended a concert by A Perfect Circle, then Norris writes, "Clearly, Keenan has got this whole art rock thing perfectly wired." In the Keenan book A Perfect Union of Contrary Things, Keenan and his co-author Sarah Jensen write about how the band developed during a mini tour: "At each stop, the lyrics were more polished, the presentation more professional, and the gate more satisfying as word spread of this surprising alt-metal, art rock, operatic band." Finally, metal biographer Joel McIver wrote in Unleashed: The Story of TOOL, that Keenan's three bands had connections in their musical styles: "Tool's difficult, challenging art, A Perfect Circle's political art rock and Puscifer's lightweight groove..." So if trimming is in order, I would like to see art rock stay in the mix. Binksternet (talk) 02:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
I have no problem with art rock being in the infobox, so long as more citations are added on the article. There was only one previously, and if you can find more, very well, I will support its addition. Bink, these are bona fide references that give plenty of support, I just didn't want to see a single-ref genre thrown in with ones that have three, four references. dannymusiceditor Speak up! 16:02, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Good examples. I feel more strongly about it being in the info I'd now too (though as Danny says, we should put your sources in the musical styles section too.) I would, but I'm stuck on mobile for a bit. I will later if no one else does in the short-term. Sergecross73 msg me 16:24, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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