Talk:Abolition of the han system

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I removed the paragraph[edit]

In the meantime, Japan annexed the Ryukyu kingdom (now Okinawa). This is called "Entering Okinawa" (Okinawa-Iri). However, as early as 1609 AD, the Kingdom of the Ryukyus (Okinawa) had already been conquered and made a vassal of the powerful Shimadzu clan (Japanese: しまづし 島津氏) of the Satsuma domain in southern Kyushu. Besides being subordinated to the Shimadzu, Okinawans of the late feudal era had simultaneously paid tribute to the Manchu rulers of the Qing Dynasty of China.

This doesn't seem to pertain to the abolition of the han or the establishment of the ken. Also, the events in the Ryukyus did not occur during the time span of the haihan chiken ("the meantime"). Can anyone find a home for this text? Fg2 07:14, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Need a full list of all prefectures since the Meiji Era began....[edit]

Hi. I just read this pair of sentences:

  • In August 1871, Okubo, assisted by Saigo Takamori, Kido Takayoshi, Iwakura Totomi and Yamagata Aritomo forced through an Imperial Edict which reorganized the 261 surviving ex-feudal domains into three urban prefectures (fu) and 302 prefectures (ken). The number was then reduced through consolidation the following year to three urban prefectures and 72 prefectures, and to the present three urban prefectures and 47 prefectures by 1888.

And I was wondering if there are references that contain a list of all of those prefectures that occur during that time, starting in the following format:

  • a.) three urban prefectures (fu) and 302 rural prefectures (ken) as of August 1871
  • b.) three urban prefectures (fu) and 72 rural prefectures (ken) as of the following year (through consolidation)
  • c.) three urban prefectures (fu) and 47 rural prefectures (ken)

Each one of them must be grouped by splits and mergers within those periods. Let me know if possible. jlog3000 (talk) 18:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Right here. -Amake (talk) 10:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Anachronism in Consolidation.[edit]

Consolidation contains this body of text:

"Although the former daimyo had become government employees, they still retained a measure of military and fiscal independence, and enjoyed the customary veneration of their former subjects. This was considered an increasing threat to central authority by Ōkubo Toshimichi and other members of the new Meiji oligarchy, especially with the large number of ex-samurai revolts occurring around the country."

As the samurai rebellion do not begin to occur until 1874 and later, and this article covers a period of time encompassing 1868-1871, this is a large inconsistency. How can ex-samurai revolts that have not occurred for 3 or more years yet influence what happens in 1871? That would truly be a miracle of time and space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.8.132.118 (talk) 21:27, 6 August 2012 (UTC)