Talk:Abu Obaida (Hamas)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 October 2023

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Hamas is a political party not a terrorist organisation 102.47.69.204 (talk) 15:41, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to "political and military" (the wording used at Hamas) from "terrorist" per MOS:TERRORIST. Tollens (talk) 11:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SIGCOV

Are there any sources that give significant coverage to this individual? All the sources seem to only quote his statements, but there's nothing confirmed about him.VR _talk 01:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent: There are several in Arabic: This This and This for example. I think GNG doesn't require SIGCOV in English, but I'm not sure. Moazfargal (talk) 22:10, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic sources are acceptable. Are those sources reliable? VR _talk 01:10, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More than a month has passed by. Looking at references it seems the references are not about Abu Obaida, they are simply about the statements uttered by him that are really the statements of the organization Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. The WP:SIGCOV still fails, and it might be best to redirect this page to the organization.VR _talk 01:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 November 2023

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Requested on further elaboration and video information on point 11. Stating without proof of someone is wrong even in court. We need proof before believing. 2001:E68:5FA1:A500:D049:FF2B:EAD6:547F (talk) 13:04, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 14:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 November 2023

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Change Militants to Terrorists Change Militant to Terrorist 2607:FEA8:E280:31A0:7039:AEF8:A8EB:2B4 (talk) 03:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 16:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 November 2023 (2)

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Change “militant” to “terrorist”

Kidnapping, Raping, and Murdering Israeli Women and children doesn’t make him a militant. It makes him a terrorist. If you actually look at the definition of terrorism on your own website, this guy is the epitome of that definition. So fix it, and stop promoting the rape and murder of Jewish women and children. It’s pathetic. 2607:FEA8:E280:31A0:7039:AEF8:A8EB:2B4 (talk) 04:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 16:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Error

Hamas is not a militant organisation. Get your facts right 2001:16A2:3FDC:B00:21B2:D761:C157:A57A (talk) 20:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

“Militant” is a more neutral form of language. TheLibyanGuy (talk) 21:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NBC-NEWS-report

At the end of the page, the following is claimed:

In October 2023, during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, Abu Obaida said that Hamas will kill one civilian hostage every time Israel targets Gaza "without warning". “We announce that every targeting of our people who are safe in their homes without warning, we will meet with the execution of our enemy’s civilian hostages,” Obeida said in his statement. He also said that the executions would be broadcast “in audio and video.”

Searching for this wording, the only source I can find for this seems to be the NBC News article, DW has a report that claims something similar, but the source of the claims does not appear to be Abu Obaida but rather Israeli officials themselves see this. (ie Israeli officials claimed that this is what Hamas wants to do).

Knowing that all the talks of Abu Obaida are recorded and posted to the internet, so I also attempted finding the original recording of him saying this but couldn't find anything by Abu Obaida claiming said executions.

Is this source really reliable? Can more global sources be provided for this? Can the original video of him saying this be provided as the main source instead? In my opinion, the public video recordings should actually be the source of everything claimed to be said by him, or at least a report/article that does include the video (like many BBC articles do), no?

It may also be worth mentioning the context in which this was said if there was any.

Knowing that from the video recordings I reviewed Abu Obaida never seemed to claim or imply they would do any harm to the captives nor using any similar tune, which makes a lot of sense for a group like Hamas, where they don't want to be characterized as a terrorist group in the eyes of public, so it makes no sense for them to say such thing nor does it align up with previous quotes by him. Bilal2453 (talk) 19:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, this seems to be a fabricated claim. It would be a bizarre threat for Hamas to make, especially as an empty threat (which it must have been, if he indeed said it). And likewise, I have watched all of Obaida's press releases since 7/10/23 and never heard him say that.

As you mentioned, it runs contrary to everything that he did say. If anything, I think it's likely that this is a malicious mistranslation of something more along the lines of the frequent hamas statement that bombs dropped on civilians risk being dropped on hostages also. NingNonger (talk) 02:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Standardise "Gaza-Israel" or "Israel-Hamas"

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The ongoing conflict is referred to twice as the "Israel-Hamas war" and once as the "Gaza-Israel war;" this should be standardised throughout the article. 2604:3D08:5882:7200:8499:CCA9:3864:CC6F (talk) 01:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Jamedeus (talk) 03:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Removing contradictory information and updating the article to clarify that his name was released in April 2024. Blepii (talk) 04:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 06:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]