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If this page was nominated for deletion and the vote was to delete it, why wasn't it deleted? Lexo (talk) 23:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

It was deleted in 2006, and re-created in 2011. StAnselm (talk) 23:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Complementarianism[edit]

An editor chose to highlight one statement from the Acts 29 Network, regarding complementarianism. This does not appear to be in response to any notable event, nor does it seem to be particularly notable to call this out, but not call out the Calvinist/Reformed theology and the various other doctrinal beliefs of the churches in this network. It made sense, to avoid the appearance of POV-pushing, to just link the doctrinal statement of the network to this article, so that the reader might make up their own minds what is or is not important in the statement.--Lyonscc (talk) 23:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Contested deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedily deleted because it is not substantially similar to the deleted version. I have not seen the previous version, but I wrote this from scratch, so I don't see how it could be. --StAnselm (talk) 00:28, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

It should not be deleted. Acts 29 is a significant movement and deserves fair coverage. I would hope this page is supplemented as more scholarly and journalistic work is available documenting Acts 29. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yeoberry (talkcontribs) 02:18, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Further sourcing[edit]

Books[edit]

ABSTRACT: Collin Hansen of Christianity Today attends a Seattle Boot Camp of Acts 29 Church Network, where Acts 29 evaluated candidates to realize their goal to create 1,000 churches within 20 years. Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church in Seattle has imprinted a Reformed theology on the Acts 29 Network in a modern movement known as New Calvinism. Acts 29 requires pastors to agree on Reformed soteriology and male elders.[1]

ABSTRACT: Acts 29 is the name of the church-planting network founded by Mark Driscoll, also founding pastor of Mars Hill Church in Seattle. Acts 29 states they are not egalitarian and believe that men should lead their homes and churches. According to the authors, a number of Acts 29 Network churches are "doing well evangelistically" but regarded as the fringe of the emerging church movement.Because numerous churches in the Acts 29 Network have grown large, they contrast with some goals of the emerging church movement.[2]

ABSTRACT: Acts 29 Network is a transdenominational church network seeking to "perpetuate the church planting passion" seen in the book of Acts. It was cofounded by Mark Driscoll and David Nicholas. Driscoll is Acts 29's best known leader. Acts 29 Boot Camp is content-driven and emphasizes Reformed theology, male eldership, and contextualization of its message for contemporary culture. Similar to other church planting movements, they accept about 25 percent of those who apply to be missionaries. Co-author Ed Stetzer teaches missiology and church planting at Acts 29 Boot Camps.[3]

ABSTRACT: Acts 29 Network includes 45 churches in the western United States, 27 in the central region, and 33 n the eastern region. It exists to "start churches that plant churches," and helps organize annual conferences on expansion with member churches. It supports missionaries through "boot camps" and other training. [4]

Independent newsorgs[edit]

Acts 29 Network helps pastors start churches

Acts 29 Network is based out of Mars Hill Church in Seattle, Washington. Mark Driscoll is the founder. The network regards starting churches as the most practical step of evangelism.

Acts 29 Network is a church-planting organization associated with Mars Hill Church in Seattle. It is committed to starting new churches. It provides finances, encouragement, instruction and coachin to people who want to start new churches. The name "signifies the work of starting churches that continues after the Book of Acts." It launched a new church in Tulsa on Easter, 2011.

Acts 29 Network is an inter-denominational evangelical coalition based in Seattle. It has started 350 churches across the United States from 2006 to 2011. They estimate that 16% of these churches meet in public school spaces.

(also cited in an article in The Christian Century[1])

Mark Driscoll's Acts 29 Network has fostered Reform churches across the United States. Churches include Mars Hill Church in Seattle, which Driscoll started, Matt Chandler's Village Church is also a member of the Southern Baptist Convention and has 8,000 members, the Austin Stone Community Church was founded by Matt Carter in 2002 and has 5,900 members. The network is part of a Calvinistic resurgence.

Acts 29 Network is "a gospel-centered church-planting network that can be found online." Its Crew Church has moved into the Cinema 4 movie theater in Huntington, West Virginia.

Acts 29 Network helps start churches. A former local youth pastor in Bakersfield, California is networking with Acts 29, the Presbyterian Church, the Southern Baptist Convention and the Evangelical Free Church to start a church there.

Vintage Church in New Orleans is affiliated with Baptist organizations and Acts 29 Network. It has a local initiative called "Egg the Homeless" started by Destrehan native Jake Smith.

Acts 29 Network has been led in part by Mark Driscoll. In the view of Nazarene contributor Sharon Autenrieth, Driscoll still lacks maturity in his 40's.

Acts 29 Network is an organization that starts new churches in the United States and overseas which share Mars Hill Church's views. Its mission is to plant 1,000 new churches in the next 20 years.

Acts 29 is a network of evangelical leaders who aren't afraid to be edgy to reach a younger crowd. In 2007, a Southern Baptist Acts 29 church in the Saint Louis suburbs clashed with the SBC over a ministry at a microbrewery.

Acts 29 Network has launched 400 new congregations in the United States and overseas.

The Stranger (newspaper) article comparing Acts 29 Network to a cult[edit]

Brendan Kiley of The Stranger (newspaper) likens the Act 29 Network to a Cult due to it being a "Dense Network" of the "Freaky Ways" of Mars Hill Church. [5]

  • I think it's a pretty solid reference. Seems pretty clear that the auther is implicating Acts 29 Network as being the working cloths of the Mars Hill Church and Mark Driscoll delema. Armorbearer777 (talk) 03:52, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Furthermore the topic is "reactions" and this is a ligitimate reaction, from a respectable source. Again, cut and dry. Armorbearer777 (talk) 03:59, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I was just in the process of rewording when Sigeng removed post. We were on the same wave length. Thank you! Armorbearer777 (talk) 23:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

References[edit]

  1. ^ Hansen, Collin (Mar 31, 2008). Young, Restless, Reformed: A Journalist's Journey with the New Calvinists. Crossway Books. ISBN 978-1-58134-940-5. 
  2. ^ Henard, William D.; Greenway, Adam W.; Rainer, Thom S. (May 1, 2009). Evangelicals Engaging Emergent. B&H Publishing Group. pp. 8, 234, 246, 259. ISBN 978-0-8054-4739-2. 
  3. ^ Stetzer, Ed; Bird, Warren (April 26, 2010). Viral Churches: Helping Church Planters Become Movement Makers. John Wiley & Sons. pp. 89, 155. ISBN 978-0-470-55045-8. 
  4. ^ Gibbs, Eddie (Aug 1, 2009). ChurchMorph: How Megatrends Are Reshaping Christian Communities. Baker Publishing Group. pp. 171, 176–7. ISBN 978-0-8010-3762-7. 
  5. ^ Kiley, Brendan (Feb 1, 2012). "Cult or Church". "The Stranger". Retrieved July 17, 2014. Control-freaky Ways 

Cult?[edit]

I have removed a recent addition that said "Brendan Kiley of The Stranger likens the Act 29 Network to a Cult..." He does no such thing, and the claim was not in the source provided. Rather, Kiley is calling Mars Hill a cult. 110.149.195.208 (talk) 04:53, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Point taken and reworded.However it is clear that this article implies that since Acts 29 Network is an affiliate of Mars Hill Church it is an extension of the same problems. Armorbearer777 (talk) 23:54, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Brendan Kiley of The Stranger (newspaper) campares the Acts 29 Network to a "cult" due to its affiliation with Mars Hill Church. [1]

  1. ^ Kiley, Brendan (Feb 1, 2012). "Cult or Church". "The Stranger". Retrieved July 17, 2014. Control-freaky Ways 
  • updated - Brendan Kiley of The Stranger (newspaper) campares the Acts 29 Network to a "cult" due to its apparent relationship to Mars Hill Church. Armorbearer777 (talk) 00:22, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
You haven't taken my point at all, and you're still edit-warring. He doesn't compare the Acts 29 Network to a cult at all. You are engaging in WP:SYNTH. 110.149.195.208 (talk) 08:11, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Just to be clear, the only mention of Acts 29 in the article is The Acts 29 Network, founded by Mars Hill and led by Driscoll, "planted" dozens and dozens of new churches across North America, creating a dense network of churches that are not tied to a denomination, but to Mars Hill. Nothing here about a cult. 110.149.195.208 (talk) 08:25, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Valid quote, the Acts 29 Network clearly implicated as an extension. Please stop Disruptive Edits WP:DE You have been warned on your talk page. I have tried to assume WP:GF but your edits have become disruptive. If you are a serious about contibuting, login with a username. I will nominate you for an IP Block if you continue WP:DE. Armorbearer777 (talk) 13:32, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
I am not being disruptive - you have tried to keep on adding in material when you have not achieved consensus to include it. This is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, so please don't revert my edits just because I have not registered for an account. 110.149.195.208 (talk) 13:44, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Armorbearer777, the edit you're trying is too much of a stretch and is not found in the source material. Yes, I did assume otherwise at first, but on a close review - no. Acts 29 is mentioned in passing, simply as a network of churches tied to Mars Hill. The article mentions the Driscoll-Mars Hill connection already; The Stranger adds no new information, an implication is not enough to make the strong accusation that an organization is a cult. The only thing you can say based on The Stranger is that Acts 29 had strong theological and relational ties to Mars Hill. The extent of those ties is now in question, given that Driscoll is no longer on the Acts 29 board. There is no new information in the The Stranger not already in the WP article. It would be appropriate to cite it as a general reference, perhaps.
  • And User talk:110.149.195.208, it would be helpful if you took a few seconds to register an account. People with accounts reflexively treat IP editors with some suspicion if they do anything more than typo fixes. It gives the appearance that you may have a conflict of interest (e.g. a financial relationship with Acts 29 or some other related party). -Sigeng (talk) 22:13, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

-- Right. Armorbearer777 (talk) 01:51, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Armorbearer777, please stop your edit warring. User:Sigeng said your addition was inappropriate, and you replied "Right" and then added it straight back in! There is clearly no consensus to include the sentence. 110.149.195.208 (talk) 22:00, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment: User:Armorbearer777, you need to read WP:BRD. You made a controversial addition, and it got reverted. You should have discussed it here before repeatedly adding it back in. Moreover, you haven't achieved consensus to include it, and I really don't think it belongs either. The article is about Mars Hill; Acts 29 is only mentioned in passing, and its not explicitly referred to as a cult. You think that this can be inferred, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that if the author was asked whether Acts 29 was a cult, he would say "yes". However, we are not allowed to make these inferences. That is covered in Wikipedia:No original research. Anyway, you were very lucky not to be blocked. Moving forward, though, the page has been locked with the dodgy claim in it - I think that needs to be removed. StAnselm (talk) 22:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

Please remove the following sentence: Brendan Kiley of The Stranger (newspaper) campares the Acts 29 Network to a "cult" due to its apparent relationship to Mars Hill Church and their "Freaky Ways".

This is per the above discussion. The addition is a controversial one, and there is clearly no consensus to include it. Kiley does not, in fact, compare the Acts 29 Network to a cult in the reference provided. StAnselm (talk) 01:59, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg DoneMr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 02:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. As I explained on my talk page, I protected at the moment I found there was edit-warring without reading the article - and as often happens, the WP:Wrong Version. If I had realised there might be a BLP issue I probably would have reverted. Dougweller (talk) 08:52, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 26 July 2014[edit]

Update logo image with File:Acts 29 Network.png, the current logo is out of date, see http://www.acts29network.org/. --JFH (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC) JFH (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done -- SCZenz (talk) 08:29, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

COI tag and third party sources[edit]

User:Waskilywabbit made a few hundred changes to the article over three weeks in August, shortly after Acts 29 made a major announcement by parting ways with Mark Driscoll. This user has also not contributed to any other article at all, before or after. This appears to be COI like behavior, so I have added the appropriate tag.

The "Character" section relies almost entirely on Acts 29's sources for a description of itself. As listed above, many other viable sources are available.

-Sigeng (talk) 06:16, 9 October 2014 (UTC)