Talk:Afonso, Duke of Porto

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The result of the move request was: moved to Afonso, Duke of Oporto. Jenks24 (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Afonso, Prince Royal of Portugal → Afonso, Duke of Porto – I request this move as Afonso was, for the longer part of his life, the Duke of Porto. He was only a provisional Prince Royal of Portugal, and his morganatic marriage would bar him from succession. Thus, it is only logical to have him listed under his most commonly reffered to name, as fr.wiki and pt.wiki have. Thank you, Relisted. BDD (talk) 18:27, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Cristiano Tomás (talk) 04:45, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose You don't understand morganatic marriage, it only bars descendants from succession not the one who married himself.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 14:33, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is not about morganatic marraiage but about what he is referred and the fact is he is referred to more commonly is Duke of Oporto than prince royal. Thank you, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 15:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You say he "more commonly is Duke of Oporto". I would support Afonso, Duke of Oporto. DrKiernan (talk) 11:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In Michael Maclagan's Lines of Succession, he's "Alphonso, Duke of Oporto" (p. 235)
In Burke's Royal Familes of the World, edited by Hugh Massingberd, he's "Afonso, Duke of Oporto" (p. 449)
In the Marquis of Ruvigny's The Titled Nobility of Europe, he's "Affonso Henriques, 2nd Duke of Oporto" on page 1100 and "Alphonso, 2nd Duke of Oporto" on page 120.
We should be using what the English-language sources use. DrKiernan (talk) 11:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment This bears relisting to see if consensus can be built for DrKiernan's suggestion. --BDD (talk) 18:27, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Afonso, Duke of Oporto, the ducal title is most common. - dwc lr (talk) 20:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: move to Afonso, Duke of Porto. It would have been better if people provided lengthier explanations, but this is in line with the Duke of Porto and Dinis, Duke of Porto articles anyway. -- tariqabjotu 03:38, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Afonso, Duke of Oporto → Infante Afonso, Duke of Porto – The addition of the princely title falls inline with custom of most courtesy/royal dukes, thus distinguishing that Afonso was Duke by princely rank and not hereditary nobility. The change of Oporto to Porto just reflects the more common usage of Porto over Oporto and the common orthography of that place and title nowadays. Thank you. --Relisted. -- tariqabjotu 04:18, 11 September 2013 (UTC) Cristiano Tomás (talk) 16:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with a move to Porto, but not with the addition of Infante. Srnec (talk) 18:52, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Per sources given above in the previous requested move. DrKiernan (talk) 20:27, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such place as Oporto. Support any move involving the word "Porto". Red Slash 01:50, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are no sources for "Infante Afonso, Duke of Porto". There are sources for the current title. We should use the common name, not a name that is unfamiliar. DrKiernan (talk) 20:14, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Porto per Red Slash. Agnostic on "Infante." --BDD (talk) 16:58, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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