Talk:Albert E. Kahn
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- 1 Intro text seems like having written without having read relevant book
- 2 Why the emphasis on the architect Kahn, if the journalist Kahn satisfies notability (WP:N) in his own right? SalineBrain (talk) 11:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
- 3 Wartime Activities
- 4 books
- 5 Confusing Lede
- 6 "Personal beliefs" section
Intro text seems like having written without having read relevant book
"which described leading Soviet communists as foreign spies based on their forced confessions during Moscow Trials"
The entire book is in chronological order, starting with 1917 and moving towards 1940s - it uses memoirs of various personas ranging from intelligence officers and diplomats in different decades in USSR and the west, as well as memoirs of notaries like Winston Churchill and Trotsky.
Whereas the excerpt above basically reduces entire book and its conclusions to 'forced confessions' during Moscow Trials as if it happened independent of the time continuum of planet earth and reference-able for things that happened in 1920s, 1930s, leave aside 1917. The conclusions of spying and treason for leading communists of the era do not come from Moscow Trials, but personal correspondences, testimonies and financial transactions of many personas ranging from Trotsky to White Russian circles in USA - some of which - especially the latter - were openly boasting of their achievements of sabotage in their publications in USA (outright crazy, but it was totally legal before USA entered WW2), and their memoirs written before Moscow Trials.
The book seems to be in public domain (earlier editions at least), not appearing under either author's name or its title either in copyright.gov or archive.org. However i still didnt reference any source for the book just in case - sources to read it are found easily by just Googling it's title anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unity100 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Why the emphasis on the architect Kahn, if the journalist Kahn satisfies notability (WP:N) in his own right? SalineBrain (talk) 11:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
"Albert Kahn, Inc. completed more than one thousand commissions for Ford Motor Company, and emerged as the world's leading industrial architecture firm prior to World War II. Albert E. Kahn's father, Moritz, was senior engineer in the firm."
The dates here are a little vague. What exactly was he doing after the war broke out, but before the Soviet entry into the war? Were there any anti fascist activities in that period? 188.8.131.52 (talk) 00:58, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Eastern European books of the cold war era is an interesting phenomenon. They often modified the text of even classics! However, now I have to say that I have a book of Albert E. Kahn, Hungarian title "A besúgó" from 1960 and 1962 2nd ed., that says it's the translation of his text "Notes on a national scandal". It might have been a manuscript then, as the English final version only went out in the 80's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 16:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
The lede is currently as follows:
Albert Eugene Kahn (May 11, 1912 – September 15, 1979) was an American journalist, photographer, author and nephew of modernist industrial architect Albert Kahn. Albert E. Kahn's father, Moritz Kahn, was senior engineer in the firm who set up the Kahn brothers Soviet Union operation in conjunction with Gosproekstroi. He was the American Labor Party candidate in the 1948 elections for New York's 25th congressional district.
Who is the "he" in the last sentence? As written, the nearest antecedent is Moritz Kahn. If Moritz Kahn was the American Labor Party candidate, this fact doesn't belong in the lede of Albert Kahn's article. If Albert Kahn was the American Labor Party candidate, then the lede should be re-written and the fact included in the main body of the article. Andrew Jameson (talk) 14:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- You're right, and I don't understand why there is so much on this man's relatives in the lead anyway. CheeseStakeholder (talk) 21:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
"Personal beliefs" section
The "Personal beliefs" section contains some very weird wording. Writing that "many were intimidated by [US] government efforts to suppress dissent" and quoting that "The idea of any government telling me (Kahn) that I owe unequivocal allegiance to it is the most repugnant thing on earth" is both comical and tragic when Kahn's main claim to fame was to be the international loudspeaker of the Soviet government's theses in the Great Purges and the Moscow trials, the gold standard in terms of government suppression.
This section brings very little to the article anyway, and somewhat duplicates the earlier "Political leanings" section. I suggest removing it altogether. Place Clichy (talk) 14:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC)