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Notability[edit]

Does not meet WP:SOLDIER & sig RS coverage not found link. Almost all of the victories were recorded on the Eastern Front, so the high number is not remarkable, as Luftwaffe was flying against inferior pilots operating outdated planes.

No de.Wiki article. Please also see a note at MilHist Talk Archives for background behind the redirect. In summary, per the outcome of the discussion at Notability:People on notability of Knight's Cross recipients: permalink, certain recipients were deemed non notable and WP:SOLDIER has been modified accordingly: diff. The articles of these recipients are being redirected to alphabetical lists. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:22, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notable due to his status as a Flying ace with a high claimed kills counts. As you can see in List of World War II flying aces - flyers with a much smaller kill count have articles - with the notability being their kill count and nothing else. Being an aerial ace (with a significant count for a particular conflict - 5 would be borderline for WWII, but would confer significance in any other conflict - mid-double digits and up for WWII is clearly significant). notable per SOLDIER: " Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign" - kill counts of these magnitude are a significant material and personnel (aviation - expensive to train) advantage. Soviets were competitive in the air from the end of 1942 and onward - and in event taking out a regiment sized enemy force - Aviation regiment (Soviet Union) single handed is significant regardless of opposition quality. The high kill count of the top German aviators was just due to enemy opposition - but because they kept on flying combat ops (as opposed to being tasked to training / command) - until they died / severely wounded / war ended - this was detrimental to the German effort on a strategic level, but on a personal level allowed very skilled pilots to shine (gaining significant experience and improving beyond the level of other forces with a saner personnel mgmt strategy).Icewhiz (talk) 10:53, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect[edit]

Restoring the redirect. Successful completion of missions (sorties flown, # of enemy aircraft shot down, etc) is not part of SOLDIER. A MilHist RfC on this topic has failed to gain consensus in May of 2017:

MilHist:RfC on the notability of flying aces.

For a relevant AfD, please see:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fritz Lüddecke, which closed as "Delete" in September 2017.

Please also see the discussion with the editor who had earlier objected to the redirect: Link. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:05, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]