Talk:Amatsu-Mikaboshi

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I seriously doubt the accuracy of this article. It cites no sources and shares no similarities with its Japanese version. Accordings to that one, Mikaboshi is referenced in the nihonshoki, where he appears as a regular kami. It would be interesting to know where the "dark force" interpretation stems from. It appears to be profoundly Christian-influenced and does not at all fit a typological archetype of japanese Religion, neither in Shintoist, nor Buddhist terms. 138.246.7.151 10:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


Also, this line seems a little unfounded:

The character of the Dark One from the Wheel of Time series seems to bear resemblence to Mikaboshi, in that he is an impersonal personificaltion of primordial evil, as opposed to a single individual regarded as the source of all suffering.

Namely because this aspect of impersonal "evil" or chaotic force that drives instinctive evil is hardly specific to Japanese or even Asian religion or philosophy. --Col.clawhammer 09:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes. I did some inquiry (not much until now), and found out that the concept of "evil" as it originates from man is in Shintô attributed to a set of kami that was, according to the kojiki, created from the dirt of yomi when Izanagi washed himself after returning from the underworld. Mikaboshi seems to be unrelated (though it may be possible that he holds a special place in onmyôdô). I think I will try to rewrite this article after some more research. 87.163.117.162 22:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, I think there is some legitimacy to the "primordial evil" aspect of Amatsu-Mikaboshi, but I'm recalling something from a class I had a long time ago, so I really can't say knowledgeably about it. But the concept of an inherently "evil" force, usually in contrast to a "good" force is a common concept... I asked my Japanese friend to read the Japanese page for clarification but she said it was pretty difficult to understand; not sure if she meant it was a difficult concept or a bad article, though. If you can find some research material, please let us know, I'm interested in following this up, too. --Col.clawhammer 09:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

From reading the Japanese Wikipedia page, the English one seems to be mostly unsourced nonsense. I would recommend erasing everything but the stub until further work can be done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.75.242.169 (talk) 04:29, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Title -- Proposed move[edit]

I'd like to propose moving this to Ama-tsu-Mikaboshi. As Mps (talk · contribs) notes in the summary for this edit, the tsu in the name is the Old Japanese possessive particle. Articles containing the modern Japanese possessive particle no generally hyphenate before and after, so we should do likewise for tsu for consistency's sake. -- Eiríkr ÚtlendiTala við mig 21:41, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm confused[edit]

On the one hand this is one of the Earthly Kami conquered by the Heavenly Kami. Bu one name given for him seems indistinguishable from the the first Three Kami of Creation.--JaredMithrandir (talk) 08:44, 19 May 2016 (UTC)