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The terminology section for this article should not have any other language than English. This is the English Wikipedia, and there is a lot of language in this section is not English. That should be removed by definition of common name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CCD8:AB0:A881:41E8:C7E0:51B0 (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


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Changing Spanish to English????[edit]

Why can we not change Spanish to English listed as first?? This is the American website. I have been told this in the past about language changes. now you prevent me from changing English to first and i was told in the past this is the English site?? Can someone give a cohesive explanation or just call people bigots on here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CCD8:AB0:89D:D4F3:FE3:CC97 (talk) 15:44, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Spanish is listed first because it's spoken by the most people in the Americas. The notice regarding American English at the top of this page applied to American English grammar and spelling. - BilCat (talk) 16:09, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello can you please site where this information came from? There has to be something that says Spanish is more widely used in the Americas? If not then can we say that a change needs to be made to this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CCD8:AB0:89D:D4F3:FE3:CC97 (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Have you read the article? It's in there, suitably referenced. - BilCat (talk) 16:49, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

It is sited from a website that explains this? http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/most_spoken_languages.htm English

has been widely dispersed around the world, it is official language in 83 countries/regions (ISO), spoken in 105 other countries (E).

Curiosity: English language does not have official status in Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States.   eng 341 000 000. Spanish

español ("Spanish") and castellano ("Castilian") with the expansion of the former Spanish Empire (Spain), the language spread around the world, it is official language in 21 countries (ISO), spoken in 44 countries (E); Mexico contains the largest population of Spanish speakers.   spa/esp 322 200 000

Where is the statics on the math? 341,000,000 English speakers total to 322,000,000. IF you can reference something different with accurate numbers then i can confirm that Spanish is correct. The reference http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/american_languages.htm is incorrect as for information purposes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CCD8:AB0:89D:D4F3:FE3:CC97 (talk) 17:11, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Please stop repeating your posts on my talk page. It's annoying to have to keep removing them. I can read what you wrote here. - BilCat (talk) 17:26, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

please review the information correctly and make the advised changes regarding my post. its annoying to have people think they know what's the best for the page, but has not done any research into it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CCD8:AB0:89D:D4F3:FE3:CC97 (talk) 17:30, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

You asked why Spanish was listed first, and I told you, based on what is already in the article. If you can cite a reliable source stating that English is more widely spoken in the Americas than Spanish, then please do. Until then, Spanish will be listed first. - BilCat (talk) 17:36, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

ok. it will be done. The site used is also inaccurate about the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CCD8:AB0:89D:D4F3:FE3:CC97 (talk) 17:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Settlement in lede unsupported by body of text in article[edit]

Items in the lede do not generally need to be sourced, assuming they summarize statement properly sourced in the body of the article. Unfortunately, the following statement is not supported in the body of the article:

  • "Humans first settled the Americas from Asia between 42,000 and 17,000 years ago. A second migration of Na-Dene speakers followed later from Asia. The subsequent migration of the Inuit into the neoarctic around 3500 BCE completed what is generally regarded as the settlement by the indigenous peoples of the Americas."

The body of the article has sourced content ranging for 20,000 to 40,000 years for the first migration, and 4,500 years for the second migration. No statement is made in the body about what is "generally regarded" by anyone.

The lede needs to agree with the body, or a citation for the discrepancy must be provided. A source is also required for the statement "The subsequent migration of the Inuit into the neoarctic around 3500 BCE completed what is generally regarded as the settlement by the indigenous peoples of the Americas." ScrpIronIV 18:19, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

First sentence is WRONG and ironically, the links cited PROVE that its wrong.[edit]

"The Americas (also collectively called America)[3][4][5]"

According to the editors OWN CITED LINKS. America is either "North America" or "South America" or "The Americas". America (singular) refers to "The United States of America". So WRONG: NOT also collectively called "America". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.17.95 (talk) 21:59, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Not so–see sense 2 here (ref 3). Deor (talk) 22:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Etymology and naming - paragraphs 2 & 3[edit]

As has been repeatedly pointed out by other users in previous edits (see history of the page), the beginning of paragraph 3 ("In some countries of the world") clearly hints to a certain degree of exceptionalism to the notion of America as a continent. I wouldn't call this ethnocentric, and I do believe it is not bad faith. It appears, though, that that many native English-speakers are unaware that the term "America" refers to a unique continent in a large number of countries. In my opinion, this article only reinforces this view instead of educating the native English-speaking audience about the different continent models taught in different parts of the world.

Indeed, sources clearly show that in around 50-60 countries, the continent is known by its original name.

I understand that this is a Wikipedia English article. However, I believe (let me know if you disagree) that the scope of Wikipedia English is not limited to native English-speakers. Should the native English-speaking view be prioritized over what is taught in most countries in the world?

I also understand there is no right or wrong answer to this question, and that the 6/7 continent model is an issue of perspective. I only take issue with the phrasing "in some countries of the world" and I believe it should be changed to "in most countries of the world". Would anyone disagree with this edit? Globe Trotter (talk) 07:06, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

First, "around 50-60 countries" is not "most" when there are around 200 countries in the world. If this can be cited directly to a reliable source, I wouldn't have a problem replacing "some" with "around 50-60 countries", as that would be far less vague. Second, you also changed the English-language usage to read "some". This is certainly incorrect, as most countries where English is an official language, even if it isn't the largest first language, use the 7-continent model. That's far more countries than just the US and the UK. Other countries use it too, not just those who were former British or US-American colonies either. - BilCat (talk) 07:19, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
And to answer your question "Should the native English-speaking view be prioritized over what is taught in most countries in the world?", yes, the native speaking population's viewpoint should be prioritized. That is, it should be the one described first on this page and defaulted to on other pages. Other views should certainly be described here (and in some cases other pages), but the basic meaning of any word in any language is that given to it by native speakers. --Khajidha (talk) 13:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Can you find a citation that "some" is more correct than "most"? One of the citations clearly explains that's the norm in Europe and Latin America. And also, can you describe since when the new continent in the western hemisphere named America became 2 or 3 continents Rduartemd5 (talk) 04:34, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

To some extent it isn't relevant how many other countries/languages consider there to be a single American continent as the general English conception is that thereare two. See my previous post. --Khajidha (talk) 14:36, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Also, a careful reading of the Continent article might be helpful to both of the users here who are questioning the "In some countries of the world" wording. Both seem unaware that the 6-continent-1 America model is not used in "most countries of the world", and not even in "most" of Europe. That article explains more about the different continental models used in different countries. In fact, there is another 6-continent model that is mostly used in Russia, Eastern Europe, and Japan. It has North and South America as 2 separate continents, but combines Europe and Asia as 1 continent, Eurasia. - BilCat (talk) 20:06, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
I still find it odd that people who claim that the Americas are only 1 continent seem so set on seeing Europe, Asia, and Africa as 3. If Panama is enough of a connection to make a single continent then so is Suez, not to mention the 1000s of kilometers of the usually defined Europe-Asia border. I guess the problem is that most people (wherever they are from and which ever continent model they use) are generally taught that "there are (number) continents, and these are them" with no ambiguity or any examination of reasoning behind the number or the list. --Khajidha (talk) 23:40, 9 July 2017 (UTC)PS - I don't know when the change to 2 American continents occurred, I only know that it was always presented that way to me (I'm a 43 year old American).--Khajidha (talk) 23:43, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

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