Talk:Araceae

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Not sure why you (Jakhouse) would be removing links in the taxobox to the definitions of the taxa? I think it is more appropriate and easier to be consistent to keep those links there and not rely on the same terms appearing in the text where there are usually already plenty of other links to other things and only some of the classification is presented. In other words, the taxobox is perfect for linking to things like Kingdom (biology) and is one of the purposes that it serves - Marshman 22:05, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Lemna article says that Lemna is a genus in Araceae, but there are no such genus in genera list here. --83.237.118.136 15:55, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

According to
  • AGP II : Lemnaceae Martynov (1820), nom.cons. = Araceae ;
  • according to MOBOT : Considering the anatomical organization of their flowers and seeds allows botanists to classify duckweeds as close relatives of the arum or aroid family (Araceae) [1]
  • according to Ohio University : Although the Lemnaceae have long been associated with the Araceae (see Les et al., 2002 for historical review), relationships between the families remain uncertain (Mayo et al., 1997). Cladistic analyses using either morphological characters (Stockey et al., 1997) or molecular characters (Davis, 1995; Duvall et al., 1994; French et al., 1995) all support the hypothesis that the Lemnaceae are closely related to or embedded within the Araceae. However, the results of various studies differ in the phylogenetic position of the Lemnaceae and their relationship to other aroid genera ; By contrast, other molecular analyses, namely those focusing on chloroplast restriction site data, remove Pistia and the Lemnaceae to distantly related clades and embed both within the Araceae (e.g., French et al., 1995; Mayo et al., 1997; Renner and Weerasooriya, 2002;[2]

In other words : the relationship between the Lemnaceae and the Araceae remains uncertain. However the AGP II has clearly decided to embed the Lemnaceae in the Araceae, with for Lemnaceae the status 'nomen conservandum'. The articles on Araceae and Lemnaceae should be rewritten to take into account the existing controversy. JoJan 17:22, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

The second paper cited there shows that "Lemnaceae" is clearly rooted in Araceae; the uncertainty is not that it does not belong in the Araceae, but merely as to which genera in the Araceae it is most closely related to, demonstrating that its closest relative is not Pistia as suggested by the first reference, but a different group in the Araceae - MPF 01:33, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Correct order?[edit]

I know nothing about classification, but I note that ITIS gives Arales as the order for Araceae. Hv 12:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Obviously ITIS is somewhat behind (last revision of Arecaceae in 1999). The update AGP II clearly states : Arales Dumort. (1829) = Alismatales. See also the article Arales

Redirect[edit]

Arum lily redirects here. Shouldn't it go to Zantdeschia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.202.242 (talk) 18:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. Redirect now goes to Zantedeschia. JoJan (talk) 13:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Improvements needed[edit]

This article is currently only rated as "Start", which may be a little low, but on the other hand, it is seriously lacking in inline referencing. I've begun trying to improve it by re-arranging it to match the WP:PLANTS template and adding some more sourced information, plus some sources for existing information, but it needs more work. For example, the subfamily classification needs sourcing, as there are different ones in different sources. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:04, 19 July 2013 (UTC)