Talk:Ash Regan

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Two official portraits

She's certainly a very attractive lady with beautiful hair, but do we need two official portraits of her from different years? 2A00:23EE:1208:1661:A6EF:3DB8:AD22:8A12 (talk) 14:36, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ashten or Ash?

The article title has "Ash". The first line of the article gives her name as "Ashten". The article should make the link between the two names, e.g. by including "Ash" as the name by which she is commonly known, otherwise the article is talking about a different person from that in the title.

Normally this would be clarified and resolved by including "Ash" in inverted commas immediately following "Ashten". As it currently stands there is an unresolved conflict in the article about her actual name.

One would have hoped that such sloppiness would be picked up by the editing process, as would be the case with a real encyclopaedia with editorial quality control. Unfortunately, Wikipedia's editing process leaves many such inconsistencies to the whim or lack of sound editing background of whichever amateur, would-be editor happens to latch on to an article.

Omitting the short form isn't sloppiness; it's standard practice, as explained at MOS:HYPOCORISM: "If a person has a common English-language hypocorism (diminutive or abbreviation) used in lieu of a given name, it is not presented between quotation marks or parentheses within or after their name". See Alex Salmond, where there's no "Alex" in addition to "Alexander" in the opening. It's obvious that "Ash" is short for "Ashten". "Ashten" isn't very common, but it's a variant of "Ashton", which even has a Wikipedia page, Ashton (given name). EddieHugh (talk) 12:05, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. That is much clearer. This particular type of linguistic sloppiness is standard practice in Wikipedia and embedded in its usage guidelines. Fair enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.140.135 (talk) 07:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Birth name

Do we have a better source about her birth name being Sarah Jane? The birth certificate referred to might be another person with a similar name. PatGallacher (talk) 13:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, checked, we have a source, but it would still help to have a better source for her date of birth. PatGallacher (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We can't use a birth certificate. See WP:BLPPRIMARY: "Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses." EddieHugh (talk) 18:36, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

LinkedIn

A number of claims are supported by a LinkedIn page, which apparently claimed to be Ms Regan's own page. LinkedIn says this page no longer exists. I am not a LinkedIn user, but perhaps someone who is could check to see whether the link offers them any kind of redirect. Otherwise we need to consider removing those claims. I removed a potentially libellous claim (which probably failed WP:BLPSELFPUB anyway) immediately. Matt's talk 22:36, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alba Party Leader

Is there a reason she's getting an infobox for "Alan Party Leader in Holyrood"?

We don't seem to give other leaders of single-member parliamentary groups this box. (Caroline Lucas, Andrew Bridgen, Douglas Carswell, any SNP MP who was the sole MP such as Winnie Ewing.)

Seems to me that it would make more sense to avoid having such a box unless and until she has some position which means anything, rather than just being the sole member of a party in Holyrood.

(Worth noting the Scottish Parliament does not recognise parties with fewer than 5 MSPs as party groups.)

Does this make sense? WorthPoke2 (talk) 11:41, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Party Leader" is literally the term that the Scottish Parliament use for Ash Regan.

https://www.parliament.scot/msps/current-party-balance

Is there a good reason not to give her the role title that Holyrood chooses to give her? AlistairMcMillan (talk) 01:24, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is copied from User talk:Tim O'Doherty where I was responding to this edit summary: "It's not. I checked the SP website and found nothing. I googled "Leader of the Alba Party in the Scottish Parliament" and got just one hit, that being this article. Looks like some unsourced OR to me. Happy to discuss further on my talk page if I'm wrong, though. Happy new year." ...

I posted the Scottish Parliament link on the talk page of the relevant article. I look forward to you reverting your change. Happy New Year.

Talk:Ash Regan#Alba Party Leader

AlistairMcMillan (talk) 22:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My reference to "unsourced OR" in my edit summary was correct; ie, Wikipedia has just invented the title "Leader of the Alba Party in the Scottish Parliament". It appears nowhere on the internet. We can't pluck a title from midair. It doesn't exist. No source, reliable or unreliable, has ever used that title. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:52, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you look at the Ash Regan talk page? Did you try clicking on the link I provided there that shows that the Scottish Parliament refers to her as the "Party Leader" of "Alba Party"?

Let me try again...

1. Open the Scottish Parliament website: https://www.parliament.scot

2. Click on "MSPs" in the title bar and select "Current Party Balance"

3. Scroll to the bottom where it says "Alba Party – 1 MSP" and "Party leader - Ash Regan"

It ain't difficult.

AlistairMcMillan (talk) 03:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, that's not difficult. What also "ain't difficult" is reading my reply to you. You will need a source which has the exact phrasing "Leader of the Alba Party in the Scottish Parliament". Otherwise it is just pure Wikipedia original research. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 07:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please clear up for me, what do you think the Scottish Parliament meant by the title "Party leader" under the heading "Alba Party" on their own website? What possible other interpretation could these words have? AlistairMcMillan (talk) 15:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The title "Leader of the Alba Party in the Scottish Parliament" does not exist. It is not a Thing. The only place it exists is on Wikipedia. You explain to me how that is not original research and then you can make your change. The WP:ONUS is on you. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Response to third opinion request:

I have consulted the Scottish Parliament website for current party balance data (https://www.parliament.scot/msps/current-party-balance) and it does indeed state Alba Party – 1 MSP; Party leader - Ash Regan. However, this does not, in my opinion, justify including "Leader of the Alba Party in the Scottish Parliament" in the infobox. For this we need a reliable source that defines the role. Does this mean they are the leader of the party? Or just the group of MSPs with that affiliation? Given she is the only Alba party MSP, does this role have any particular significance? Without a source defining the role, this is just original research. Polyamorph (talk) 06:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]