Talk:Ashton Kutcher

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Former good article nominee Ashton Kutcher was a Media and drama good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
October 8, 2006 Good article nominee Not listed

Re: Social Media Presence[edit]

Last paragraph that addresses the Village Voice article could be worded in a less misleading way. VV article wasn't criticizing the academic rigor of the study, but Kutcher, Moore, and several media outlet's misquotation of the study. The study claimed there were 100,000-300,000 youths at risk for sex trafficking, while Kutcher and others stated that the number referred to the actual estimated number of child prostitutes in the U.S. which is demonstrably false. In addition, the authors of the study were cited in the VV article as stating that Kutcher and others had misinterpreted or misconstrued the context of the statistic. Furthermore, the numbers cited by the VV merely consisted of the raw data collected by local/state/federal law enforcement officials regarding the actual amount of arrests related to underage sex trafficking. Characterizing those numbers as "unreviewed research" is extremely misleading as it implies that the number of arrests related to child trafficking are a disputable argument, rather than a demonstrable fact. This confusing phrasing also seems to suggest a lack of understanding about what circumstances necessitate "peer-review." For example, had the VV used these statistics to make their own assumptions about what constitutes a child "at risk for sexual trafficking" without submitting their theories/findings to other experts to examine the rigor with which they made those assumptions, they would be subject to criticism for not properly testing their hypothesis. However, the number of charges/arrests made in the U.S. annually, regarding child sex trafficking, is not a hypothesis in need of verifying by other experts; each one is a well documented event. Lastly, the use of the word "unreviewed" makes it sound as though the VV doesn't have an editor or something. Which like, pretty sure they do.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.192.78.39 (talk) 16:38, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

It's a little misleading. The paragraph reads as if the writer was trying to be fair balancing the information but just didn't manage total objectivity. Logically in the paragraph, the VV's article/opinion has a certain weight pitted against the other expressed opinions, so it shouldn't be defamed in the same sentence that's informing the reader of their view. The word "unreviewed" doesn't make logical sense anyway, because the VV article was itself a review of a lot of objective sources. I've changed the sentence to what I feel to be a completely neutral tone giving the VV the proper weight within the paragraph, to this sentence: The Village Voice, from their research, said it was only hundreds of children. Squish7 (talk) 17:19, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2017[edit]

Change Section 2.2 Venture capitalism and investment

Add company, "Neighborly" to list New copy should read: Beyond the entertainment world, Kutcher is also a venture capitalist. Kutcher has also successfully invested in several high technology startups.[28][29] Some of his investments include Neighborly[1], Skype, Foursquare, Airbnb, Path and Fab.com. LFBedard (talk) 20:42, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

This appears to be a self-published source, promotional in nature, spammed by the editor. --Ronz (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Not done: per Ronz. — JJMC89(T·C) 23:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2017[edit]

Resubmitting this request with different link in cite: Change Section 2.2 Venture capitalism and investment

Add company, "Neighborly" to list New copy should read: Beyond the entertainment world, Kutcher is also a venture capitalist. Kutcher has also successfully invested in several high technology startups.[28][29] Some of his investments include Neighborly[2], Skype, Foursquare, Airbnb, Path and Fab.com. LFBedard (talk) 20:42, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Done Izno (talk) 02:51, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Neighborly. "Neighborly Raised a Series A". Retrieved 10 June 2017. 
  2. ^ Fortune. "This Startup Wants to Modernize Public Finance". Retrieved 11 June 2017. 

I removed it. Even if the previous proposal hadn't been made, this new source is poor and it's not about Kutchner. --Ronz (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Since when is Fortune magazine a poor source? In addition, we could just remove the cite altogether as the existing cite (Crunchbase) lists Neighborly alongside some of these other companies already in the article. Can we please change my edit back? Or if this is deemed promotional, let's remove all the companies listed. LFBedard (talk) 15:23, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Both sources you've offered are promotional in nature for Neighborly, the Fortune source just a warmed-over press release. Secondly, the sources simply name-drop Kutchner's investment company. --Ronz (talk) 15:42, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


OK, then keep my edit, remove my cite and we just use the existing one from Crunchbase, which also backs up my edit. If you have a problem with Crunchbase, then I suggest you remove the whole sentence/list of companies to be fair. LFBedard (talk) 16:51, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I think removing the sentence might be the best solution if no independent source is offered. The Crunchbase ref provides a listing of investments. Choosing specific ones from the list for emphasis without additional sources is problematic in terms of both WP:OR and WP:NPOV. If we don't have a source that demonstrates why it's important to mention in a biography on Kutcher, then it probably doesn't belong regardless. --Ronz (talk) 23:32, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

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