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Fallacious and incorrect argument[edit]

While discussing the 1962 film it says: "It can be clearly seen that it was made at the beginning of Japanese movie making history, as we can see that pistols have their barrels covered with white paper before they are shot, as it can be seen in some of the scenes being cut up to match some dynamic movement and or stunt moves. Special effects and Scenography can be compared to, that time, American B-Class movies.

The film's quality has nothing to do with the development of Japan's film industry. This is simply ridiculous. Johnmiguelking (talk) 00:51, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Beginning of Japanese film!?[edit]

"It can be clearly seen that it was made at the beginning of Japanese movie making history"

1962 is not anywhere near close to the beginning of Japanese movie making. In fact, Japan has one of the best film making traditions of all of Asia, with the most famous director (Kurosawa) having numerous classics going back into the 1940s. This line should be altered or deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.104.215 (talk) 06:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, the Japanese were making movies (including anime - animated cartoons) - as far back as 1917 ot even earlier. Das Baz, aka Erudil 18:59, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Pinocchio[edit]

Why no mention of Pinocchio, the classic story on which Astro Boy is based?22:29, 31 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.88.154.149 (talk)

there is no source saying so.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Besides, our hero was a boy (Toby) before he was a robot. Das Baz, aka Erudil 17:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Astro Boy 2003[edit]

Why there is no mention of Astro Boy 2003 anime? there is the astro boy film which holds most of it's influence from the 2003 anime. So why no mentoin of the 2003 anime in this article?Bread Ninja (talk) 16:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


Gold Key Comics Astro Boy[edit]

Gold Key Comics published an Astro Boy comic book in the 1960's - at the same time they were publishing Magnus, Robot Fighter - There was at least one issue published, which I bought. Does anyopne know how many issues were there, and the dates of their publication? Das Baz, aka Erudil 17:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Astro Boy: Robot or android?[edit]

While some may think it is more accurate to call Astro Boy an "android", I feel that because Dr. Tezuka only referred to Atom as a robot I think it is more accurate to call him a "robot". To call him an android is misleading because he is not only a "mechanical" substitute for Tobio Tenma, he also has special powers which most fictional android characters do not. Actually it might be more accurate to call him a "humanoid robot" beacuse while he essentially resembles a human he has other characteristics that make him appear non-human, such as his hair! The strongest arguement for calling him a robot is that that is the way he is described by his creator! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ANASTROFAN (talkcontribs) 22:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

An android is a humanoid robot. So using the term "android" is more precise, is widely understood, and avoids excessive wording. —Farix (t | c) 00:24, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
In all articles about Astro Boy he is referred to as a robot! This is how he is known to the general public! To call him an android would cause confusion because to many an android is almost an exact replica of a human which Astro Boy is not! How many androids do you know with rockets in their boots? Unlike Data of Star Trek:The Next Generation fame Astro Boy is a character primarily created for children to enjoy! The word android has already been corrupted by Star Wars! Again this is how his creator described him, which should be respected and because he is known around the world as a "robot"! This is how it should read for any one coming to this site for info re: Astro Boy! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ANASTROFAN (talkcontribs) 01:44, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
(ec) I've seen Astro Boy referred to as an android, and (as Farix pointed out) "android" is a more specific type of robot. I don't know of anyone who thinks an android is an exact replica of a human (which would be a human, being an exact replica and all). Yes, many androids in fiction have a human-like appearance, but there are many (such as the one from the original Metropolis film) which are not very humanlike at all. Astro Boy is an android (albeit with rocket feet). There's no reason to get high blood pressure over this and try to shout everyone else down. No one editor owns this article, so no one editor may impose his/her preferences on it. So, please, calm down and stop with the exclamatory statements. Thanks. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Just because Astro Boy has rockets and weapons doesn't make him any less an android. An android is simply a humanoid robot or a "synthetic organism". Beyond the rockets and weapons, Astro Boy's depiction is very much human-like and is portrayed as a living entity. —Farix (t | c) 04:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Simplish question: in the English release of the manga, which is he called? In the anime? In reliable sources (reviews, books, etc?) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Straw poll[edit]

As there is some disagreement over this, how about we have a straw poll. Please indicate below your opinion on whether Astro Boy should be called an android or a robot followed by your rationale supporting it. I've advertised this on the WikiProject Anime and manga talk page in order to bring more eyes to this discussion. Please remember to be civil and no need for shouting. Thanks! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

  • Android as it is a more specific type of robot, and therefore more precise. Astro Boy clearly fits all of the requirements for being an android (see my argument above). ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Android an anthropomorphic robot. --KrebMarkt 16:56, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Android Synthetic organism rather then a lifeless automaton. Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:16, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Android is the precise description, but a one-time mention of "humanoid robot" should be made as its definition. Arsonal (talk) 17:45, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Whatever is used by the author, unless another term is used prevalently by reliable sources. Nihonjoe's reasoning would be sound if it were a simple fact that an android "is a more specific type of robot" and that Astro Boy "fits all of the requirements for being an android". That is not the case. For example, Yahoo!'s dictionary defines an android as "[a]n automaton that is created from biological materials and resembles a human" (emphasis mine) and Longman's online dictionary defines an android as "a robot that looks completely human" (emphasis mine). In any case, the decision should not rest with Wikipedia editors, if only to avoid original research. Goodraise 19:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
    • That definition upholds my argument as it states, "...a robot that looks completely human" (emphasis mine). That definition indicates that an android is a specific type of robot (defined after stating that it's a robot). ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:25, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
      • Note: Nihonjoe replied to the original version of my post. I realized that my original post read as if I was giving the example to contradict Nihonjoe's statement, while I had actually intended to give an example of a definition that doesn't fit Astro Boy. Unfortunately, the expansion I made to my post to work around that issue was (most likely by accident) undone by ANASTROFAN (talk · contribs). (See both versions here.) I have now reinstated the expansion of my post. Goodraise 21:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
  • In all articles about Astro Boy, he is referred to as a "robot", especially by his creator! (I like using exclamation points; so sue me!) I have never heard the automaton (another word that can describe Astro Boy!) from Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" described as an android! Of course that is neither here nor there. I think the main thing is to accurately display the entry to conform to the historical description! Although I have seen a source in reviewing Astro Boy state that "Astro Boy could be more accurately described as an "android", this was just one reviewer's opinion and all sources list "Astro Boy" as the adventures of a "robot boy"! This is the consensus as this is how he is known to the general public! To call him anything else would be confusing. Especially since the term "android" is a more esoteric term! But as a compromise maybe somewhere in the entry it could be mentioned that "Astro Boy" can be described as a "humanoid robot" or "android"! (Although for me the term android has been corrupted by the Star Wars movies!)signed ANASTROFAN! —Preceding undated comment added 13:28, January 27, 2010.
    • Whether Star Wars used a corrupted version of "android" is irrelevant to this discussion so there is no reason to bring it up over and over. The Metropolis android is often described as a "gynoid", which is an android designed to look female. No one is going to be confused by Astro Boy being referred to in the article as an android (and since the word is linked to the article "Android", they can click on the link if they perchance need further clarification on the topic). ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:25, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
    • NOW I AM GETTING PISSED! I did not undo anything accidently or otherwise! And noone can tell me what I can and cannot say! Nor can thay say what may or may not be confusing to someone else! I thought the purpose of this straw poll was to discuss the question of whether Astro Boy should be referred to as an android or more simply as a robot, not attack someone who has a different opinion! I already stated my opinion and even offered a compromise! Astro Boy is a robot plain and simple! signed by ANASTROFAN! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ANASTROFAN (talkcontribs) 00:53, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
      • There is no reason to be "pissed". No one is telling you what you can and can not say, either. You are welcome to say whatever you wish as long as it remains within what is acceptable according to WP:CIVIL. So far, while you are obviously very passionate about this issue, you have remained well within acceptable, so there's no reason to become upset at a discussion. Wikipedia operates by consensus, and no one person controls the content or wording of this or any other article here. In order to determine quickly where people stood on this issue, this straw poll was set up to determine if "android" should be used instead of "robot". Currently, it appears that the majority of participants believe "android" should be used, but we will probably keep this straw poll open for a little longer in order to see if anyone else wishes to express an opinion. Now, if it is determined that an overwhelming majority of people participating believe that one word or another should be used, then that is what we will go with. However, it's perfectly acceptable to tweak the wording along the lines of what you proposed above, even if your exact wording is not used.
      • This is a discussion. People are welcome to ask questions of each other, probe reasoning behind an opinion, etc., as long as the discussion remains civil. That's how Wikipedia is run. I'd be happy to discuss this issue (consensus, discussion, etc.) further with you if you have concerns regarding it, but this talk page is not the location for that. Feel free to drop a note on my talk page if you have any questions. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Whichever is used in the manga and anime. The Creator is the authority here. VMS Mosaic (talk) 02:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Okay here is the main reason why it should be robot. First and foremost because that is the way Dr. Tezuka described him. I would like for a citation where Astro Boy is described as "an android". In fairness I feel the best way to settle this is to compromise. Who knows if Dr. Tezuka were here and able to provide his opinion, he might concede that Astro Boy could definitely be described as an "android" (or he might not after all, he always got annoyed whenever someone mentioned Asimov's Laws of Robotics to him and applied it to Astro Boy.) Now should one description be held over another... Aye there's the rub! signed Yours truly, ANASTROFAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by ANASTROFAN (talkcontribs) 02:53, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Android As I stated previously, it is a more precise term and is easily understood by the general reader.[1] One doesn't need to make an interpretation to determine that the main protagonist is an android any more than than it is an interpretation that a tree has green leaves. —Farix (t | c) 03:45, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
    • If Merriam-Webster's definition was the one and only definition of the term android, then you would be right, but it's not. (See also my post above.) Also, as pointed out below, your tree analogy is simply flawed. Goodraise 18:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Except of course in the fall when leaves are not necessarily green! Another reason for robot is tradition! Astro Boy has been traditionally referred to as a "robot". This entry is for the general public! I still recommend that some sort of compromise be made because there are valid points on both sides of the argument! So what say you my fellow wikipedians, should another straw poll be started! Can we "robots" live in harmony with "androids"? I say yea; that is what Astro Boy is all about!--signed Yours Truly, ANASTROFAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by ANASTROFAN (talkcontribs) 13:49, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I say whatever they call him on in the series. If they call him robot, leave it as robot, if it's android then put android. But if we choose one over the other, even though the original term is the one being used within the series, than that would be Original Research.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

  • Android. If a reader doesn't know what it is, it is easily linked to a definition. Using 'robot' instead of 'android' is akin to having our George Washington article describe him as a '4-limbed vertebrate' - technically correct, but...
If it's OR to use words (which have no negative or positive connotations) which weren't in the source material, then all of Wikipedia is OR and a 'non-OR' article will be selcouth indeed. (Oh no! I have just guaranteed this post is OR because 'selcouth' is such an obsolete & obscure English word that it appears in the sources of maybe a dozen - if that - of our 3-4 million articles!) --Gwern (contribs) 18:56 28 January 2010 (GMT)
  • Both at varying times throughout the article. Variety is the spice of life, and makes for a better reading experience. --Malkinann (talk) 21:07, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Okay so far, by my count it's five for android, three for what is in the source material (and because in the original manga and anime Tezuka refers to Astro Boy as a robot, that is also three votes for robot) and there are two votes for compromise, mine being one of them! You do all understand that calling Astro Boy an android is a matter of opinion and not fact! Different authors use different terms to denote different things! Android was a term used by some authors to describe different characters in their respective works! It is not an official designation! It is merely a literary device. Should we impose one author's literary device on another, simply because we prefer one over the other? I think android should be included in some way in the Astro Boy pages, but I do not think it should replace robot because that would (in my opinion) be superceding the creator's intent! Okay so what say ye!--signed Respectfully, ANASTROFAN! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ANASTROFAN (talkcontribs) 03:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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  • This is an odd one; why would we not use what the official translation of the manga itself uses? If Astro Boy is technically an android, by all means find an article on the science of Tezuka (I'm positive there is one, if only in Japanese) and source some additional information from that, but it seems like a lot of fuss over interchangeable synonyms. I would also be perfectly fine with using the two words interchangeably within the article. Doceirias (talk) 00:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
  • In the manga, Atom (Astro Boy's original Japanese name)is referred to as "robotto" which translates as "robot". [Thank you for the lesson in etiquette, Nihonjoe!] ANASTROFAN (talk) 13:34, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Lost Original Episodes[edit]

The source for saying the original Japanese episodes is lost is a blog? Really? That's the best source that anyone can find? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.45.24.64 (talk) 03:33, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I think Jay Rath (1980 Skunk voice) confirmed it on a forum. It is not 100% confirmed that the user is Jay Rath though, but it may be possible to contact the user to do a "real world action" such as editing the article with an authentified account if he has one. Fafner (talk) 09:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Article Separation[edit]

I strongly believe that this article should be split into two, one covering the original manga and the other covering the anime. Both of these are notable enough to have their own article(s). Androids101 (talk) 00:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Astro boy semi-protection request[edit]

Not done: {{edit semi-protected}} is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. Jnorton7558 (talk) 18:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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Dubious claim[edit]

The characters appearing in Latin American works are almost certainly unauthorized, this is like saying "Disney characters appear in French originated comic strips". Sorta like the Japanese use of Micky Mouse in the war, is it official, no, but does it count? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 13:16, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Editing[edit]

For this article that I will be revising, I will edit all the paragraphs. It seems that some of the sentences does not flow well, and some have run-on sentences. Michelle Lee123 (talk) 19:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Mighty Atom[edit]

For the first sentence of this article I have edited as this... Astro Boy, known in Japan by its original name Mighty Atom (鉄腕アトム, Tetsuwan Atomu), is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Osamu Tezuka... Is that okay? Rayayala17 (talk) 22:03, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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