Talk:Beesley's Point, New Jersey

On 29 March 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Beesleys Point, New Jersey. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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Requested move 29 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:28, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Beesley's Point, New Jersey → Beesleys Point, New Jersey – State and federal listings for this place included in the article omit the apostrophe for the possessive here and in other places in New Jersey Alansohn (talk) 14:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 16:11, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Are there any secondary sources to show common usage or non-usage of the apostrophe? This is a common problem with possessive apostrophes in U.S. place names; it's often hard to determine the common name used by the people, because the government's hatred of punctuation drowns it out. O.N.R. ^(talk) 15:28, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: There may well be a good good case for this and it is possibly an important precedent, but so far there is little evidence. The official name is a primary source. Can we do better? Andrewa (talk) 16:11, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. It's a close call, but I think the "Beesley's Point" spelling is the WP:COMMONNAME by enough of a margin for me to oppose this move. I looked through the following Google News results and am tabulating my findings below:
- Search term: "beesleys point" new jersey
  - 2 results using "Beesley's Point"
  - 12 results using "Beesleys Point"
  - 2 results where a paywall prevented me from seeing which spelling was used
- Search term: "beesley's point" new jersey
  - 31 results using "Beesley's Point"
  - 3 results using "Beesleys Point"
  - 1 result using "Beesley Point"
  - 2 results referring to a beach called "Beesley's Point" rather than the town
  - 7 results where a paywall prevented me from seeing which spelling was used
  - 3 links removed as duplicates (news articles that all linked to the same article in their respective "related news" sections)

The balance of results convinces me that the "Beesley's Point" spelling is more widely used; not only did it have a higher number of results, but those results were drawn from a broader range of publications. These findings are also corroborated by Ngram results, which also show the "Beesley's Point" spelling coming out ahead. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:02, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.