Talk:Bowling Green, Kentucky

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Famous Residents[edit]

That section needed some cleanup.

OPMaster (talk) 06:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree. There are more notable people in Bowling Green than a porn queen. I think you need to look deeper into the history of Bowling Green. What about the famous Pauline Tabor and her "brothel"......Do your homework

Removed Jefferson Davis from the Bowling Green residents list. He never lived in BG or Warren County--or any surrounding county. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amonkeyandagiraffeinaskilift (talkcontribs) 18:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

JFK[edit]

In Famous residents, It shows John F Kennedy. I don't think he was ever a resident here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.118.20.251 (talk) 22:11, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

He only visited here and shook hands with people at the old courthouse on 10th street. he never lived here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.19.139.112 (talk) 16:14, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

City History[edit]

Anyone object to removing the word "most" from the last sentence in the introduction paragraph so it would read "The city is famous for the eponymous 1967 song, "Bowling Green", by The Everly Brothers." Thutch 08:32, 28 March 2012

Does anyone have more particulars on the history of Bowling Green we could add to the article? I was born and raised in the area and actually think I recall some bits and pieces of history from the "historical signs" around town including some involving BG's relevance during the Civil War. I really cannot remember a lot of the history, but I know some is there. - J M 21 Dec. 05

Yes, Bowling Green was apparently The Confederate's capitol of government in KY.
Only for a period-- original Confederate capitol was Russellville, where the committee for secession met; capitol later moved after siege, plague and invasion. History is on web, and it is not pretty. KenThomas 04:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

What about the history of US31 and I65, i think that would really jumpstart the nonexistant transportation sections.....

On city and WKU websites KenThomas 04:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

The listed population is radically off-- BG qualified for US metro status in '04 (which requires over 50K), but only by overcounting the WKU student population by statistical averaging. The WKU student population is approximately 18K for counting purposes, 16K actual bodies in town 8-9 months/yr (and a 'suitcase college' for many). Another 4K faculty/staff mean that BG is actually about 35K... KenThomas 04:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

BG/Warren county has 73 active languages (according to the School Board), a fact that makes it the forefront of the "global center" of the US, and reflecting this in the main article would be ... KenThomas 04:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Why has the city's economically important rail history been deleted?[edit]

The section below on the city's history is important as is shows the economic and transportation importance that the town formerly had. An editor deleted with no good faith reason. ==Rail transport== Bowling Green formerly served as a railroad transportation hub. In particular, the city's station served as the junction transfer fro several trains of the Louisville and Nashville Railroad.[1] The Historic Railpark and Train Museum in the city commemorates this role.

I removed it because it was unreferenced (the existing ref is a long way from being a WP:RS) and also because it gave the impression that rail transport is just a part of history. Bowling Green is still a very vital rail hub. There is much more to rail transport than passenger service. John from Idegon (talk) 19:53, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
And the editor who started this discussion reinstated the content without coming here to discuss it. We need something on rail here. What was here is not at all useful. It is factually incorrect. John from Idegon (talk) 06:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
It was a passenger rail hub in the past, but not now. Of course, there is more to rail than passenger service. Why are you deleting the railroad aspect of the history? You say that it is unreferenced. That claim is false. I gave a railroad timetable and a reference to a wikipedia article on the museum which deals with that history.

You have not explained why you have deleted rail from the section on transportation. You are allowing roads, but not rail. Other towns' articles have rail sections in articles. Why not Bowling Green?Dogru144 (talk) 06:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Uh, I haven't? Try again. You cannot use Wikipedia as a reference. Period. And I am not disputing that historically there was rail passenger service here, even though a photo of a timetable is only a reference to the fact that the passenger trains listed on that timetable ran. It says nothing to the importance of those trains which is what the copy was claiming. What I am saying is that the way the copy was written indicates that BG's connection to rail transport is only historic. That is blatantly false. I would rather see nothing here on railroads than something that is false. The fact that there were once passenger trains that transferred passengers might be good, with better references, in the History section. The transportation section is supposed to speak to transportation currently, and what was there does not do that. John from Idegon (talk) 06:28, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
I am not able to do much research at this point in time, but if we are going to do rail in the transport section, it should include the railroads that serve BG today (L&N is now Norfolk Southern, ya? And wasn't there a line from the Illinois Central here too? That would most likely be Canadian National now) and any major yards. Info with better reference on the historic importance of BG as a passenger transfer point might go better in History and the railpark should go in museums if it isn't there already. John from Idegon (talk) 06:48, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Unfair process: Person that began removing content accuses me of an edit war and has posted a notice on my page warning that if I correct facts that he removes that I will lose editing rights. It can be noted that User:John from Idegon's core complaint is that my edits lacked references (which was a false claim) when in fact he does not challenge most of the sections of the article, which have no references. The following sections in the article carry no references: History: Twentieth Century, Geography, Economy, public schools: Elementary Schools, District Schools, High School, Post-secondary Education, Public Library, Transportation: Major Highways, Other Highways, Air Transport, Attractions: Parks and recreation, Community centers, Parks, Swimming Centers, Museums, Golf courses, Other attractions, Media: Print media, Television, Digital Broadcast, Radio, and more. I wonder why I am subject to such a standard that is not enforced on most sections of the Bowling Green article.Dogru144 (talk) 07:07, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Is there an argument here? I do not see one. I will not respond to random [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]. When you are ready to actually discuss the edit, let me know. BTW, I am still going to write the way I write. There is no requirement of formality in talk page discussions. None of your arguments hold water and and you have not even tried to counter any of mine. How I talk and what is in other sections of this article or anything that is in any other article are not what we are talking about. When you are ready to deal with the issue let me know. I will get back here when I can, and neither you nor I get to set the timetable. John from Idegon (talk) 08:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ For example, note the trains that served the city in the 1947 L & N passenger train schedule. http://viewoftheblue.com/photography/timetables/L&N82447.pdf

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Bowling Green Massacre[edit]

I moved the description of the fictional "Bowling Green Massacre" to its own section. My edit was reverted, but I reinstated it.

I moved the Massacre text to its own section because, while it seems noteworthy right now, less than a day after it was invented, it can't reasonably be represented as one of the most significant events in Bowling Green's history. For that reason, it doesn't belong in the article's introductory paragraphs.

The justification given for reverting my edit was that it was "massively POV, as it implies that they were terrorists first, then accepted as refugees under a non-Trump government." The only POV here is the factual truth, so when I reinserted the text, I did so with a citation. I did change "terrorist" to "insurgent" since there's arguably a difference between the two, and the cited article uses the latter term rather than the former.

Please don't re-revert my edits without addressing the two points above. Stephen Hui (talk) 16:52, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

John from Idegon, sorry I reinserted my edit to the main article after you called for discussion in the Talk section first. I didn't see your comment until after I'd made my edit. Stephen Hui (talk) 16:55, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Stephen, you changed the wording to describe them as "two Iraqi terrorists who were resettled in Bowling Green". This fails NPOV: at the time they were settled in Bowling Green they were refugees, but had not yet committed the terrorism offences. I don't know if you'd noticed this at the time, but that wording plays straight into the "Obama invites terrorists to our country" rhetoric that is rife at present. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:52, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Read the article I added as a reference, or the U.S. DOJ's press release on the arrest. Both explicitly state that the two parties arrested had participated in IED attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq prior to being resettled in the United States. This fact could be interpreted to support a specific non-NPOV narrative, but that narrative was not stated in the article, and the fact itself is not under dispute.
I did replace the word "terrorist" with "insurgent" since people commonly interpret the former term as meaning people who attack countries other than their own. Note, however, that the DOJ release explicitly refers to them as "Former Iraqi Terrorists" in the title. Stephen Hui (talk) 18:53, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for that, in which case I'd agree with your wording - and the use of "insurgent" is more appropriate than "terrorist" (although the OPA uses one in the body and one in the headline). I hadn't read the OPA ref before - it's strange that this point seems to be being missed in the news media sources I had read so far today. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:35, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
If this wasn't important enough to include 6 years ago, how is it now? The arrest of the foreign fellows was hardly a blip when it happened. And the political idiot that discussed it yesterday (clearly WP:NOTNEWS) has no bearing on Bowling Green at all. In deference to the fact that the stupid person might cause some to come here looking for info on the "massacre", I can see adding the link to the article on it to the See also section. The belt line idiot du jour has no place here, and an event that was virtually unknown prior to stupid sprouting her stupidity is still just as insignificant as it was last week. John from Idegon (talk) 22:50, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
"If this wasn't important enough to include 6 years ago, how is it now? "
Because then it hadn't been mis-quoted by one of the president's senior advisers, to justify one of this presidency's most controversial diktats. The two Iraqis aren't notable, the fabrication in an interview is. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:07, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Exactly. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with Bowling Green. John from Idegon (talk) 01:41, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with Bowling Green, and has already been added to the Kellyanne Conway article. If a notable person says "all people from New York are nice", but really meant to say "all people from New Jersey are nice", you wouldn't go and add that to the New York article would you? Is Wikipedia going to be a petty battleground for the next four years? Magnolia677 (talk) 22:30, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
I have moved it to the pop culture section, as she was clearly referring the city in Kentucky. Wilburycobbler (talk) 03:47, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think that leaving it as a link in the "See also" section is the appropriate amount of coverage of this non-event. Kendall-K1 (talk) 05:28, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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