Talk:Brown Babies

Not an ethnic group

These children did not compose an ethnic group; they are the children of two ethnic groups. Delete the infobox.Parkwells (talk) 15:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

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Wiki Education assignment: Migration in World History

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 31 January 2023 and 19 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): TheNinthWave19 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by TheNinthWave19 (talk) 23:12, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Edits To Be Made

Hello. I would like to make some edits to the Brown Babies Wikipedia page, specifically the section about Brown Babies in Germany. The “Brown Babies” page breaks into several subfields that focus on countries where the term was formerly used, this is great in providing an overview, but does not go in-depth enough to capture the full scope of mistreatment and history in Germany, specifically. The Brown Babies sub-field in Germany does not sufficiently tell the history of the suffering mischlingskinder experienced by, for example, providing details regarding the forced sterilization. The “Brown Babies” Wikipedia page provides a short analysis of the mischlingskinder situation post-World War II, but the term Brown Babies is not exclusive to post-World War II. A form of the term Brown Babies known as mischlingskinder was used for Afro-German children beginning as early as 1918. I will include the racist responses from the German scientific community regarding mischlingskinder, and discuss the term anti-Blackness. The readers of this Wikipedia page should be presented with the signs of racism from the German community because it shows just how crucial the circumstances were for being an Afro-German between 1918-1945. My secondary source for my edits will be Race after Hitler: Black Occupation Children in Postwar Germany and America by Heide Fehrenbach. Fehrenbach’s book is reliable because it is peer reviewed by the reputable Princeton University. TheNinthWave19 (talk) 05:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I think you're on the right track with this @TheNinthWave19! These sound like important improvements to this article. Are there any other secondary sources you would suggest using, @C at TMM ? Tenuous tree (talk) 12:07, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

The proposed improvements sound excellent.

I have consulted Professor Lucy Bland to help with my response. Though neither of us can help more on the pre-WW2 German discourse, the references given are very reputable. Lucy also confirms that the children were called 'brown babies' in Germany during the period of occupation, 1945-55. The person who has worked on this is Ute Timmerbrink. who also runs the Germany & Austria group of GITrace. Lucy notes that quite a few of the German children were adopted in the US, and the term was of course used there by the Black American press.

As @TheNinthWave19 notes, Heide Fehrenbach has written about the German 'brown babies'. We also suggest Yara-Colette Lemke Muniz de Faria as a possible source, though again this work relates to the immediate post-WW2 period. All these references – and others related to mainland Europe - can be found on the ‘Further Reading’ page of the ‘Brown Babies’ exhibition at The Mixed Museum ( https://mixedmuseum.org.uk/brown-babies/further-reading/ but are also listed below for ease of reference.

Baur-Timmerbrink, Ute, Wir Besatzungskinder [We Occupation Children] (Berlin, 2015)

Fehrenbach, Heide, Race after Hitler: black occupation children in post-war Germany and America (Princeton and Oxford, 2005)

Hugel-Marshall, Ika Invisible Woman: growing up black in Germany (New York, 2001)

Lemke Muniz de Faria, Yara-Colette, ‘”Germany’s ‘Brown Babies’ must be Helped! Will you?” US Adoption Plans for Afro-German Children, 1950-1955’, Callaloo, Vol.26, No.2, Spring 2003 C at TMM (talk) 08:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Flynn Effect

Weren't some of the "brown babies" part of a study that undermined white supremacy? I recall a study comparing the IQ of the offspring of (white) German mothers and black or white American soldiers. The study found no significant IQ difference.

A sentence or two, or at least a see-also link would be good. Uncle Ed (talk) 23:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)