Talk:Cat café

Link farm

This article has become a link farm, with proprietors of individual cat cafés adding links to their establishments with no evidence of notability for those establishments. I propose to delete all material following the "History" section (i.e. all location-specific information listing individual cafés). Any objections? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Done. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I have reverted recent additions of individual cat cafés in order to avoid reverting this article to a link farm. Unless a particular café is individually notable (i.e. would likely stand as a standalone Wikipedia article), it doesn't really merit mention in this article. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:09, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

@Heatherhowell: Since you are somewhat insistent on adding this information without edit summary, which makes it impossible to know your intention, I will ask specifically why you believe this information belongs in this article? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: 1.You mentioned an issue with the article on Cat Cafes; therefore instead of just deleting ppls work, I am fixing the issue brought up. Yes, I agree that the former version was very much a linkfarm with too many links. Cat Cafés are the topic and since the specific cat cafes mentioned do not have enough notability to warrant their own stand alone articles, this is where they belong. Please review WP:Notability regarding "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article" The links to every café do not belong, the information regarding the cafes does. References regarding the existence of the cafes/open dates/special features/etc. need to be included, though not to the extent that was initially included. Heatherhowell

@Heatherhowell: Unfortunately, the information you have added regarding cat cafés in Canada is not reliably sourced. The fact that the Café de Chats in Montreal was the "first cat café in Northern America" is referenced to their own website. The mention of individual cafés that do not meet any specific criteria for inclusion in the article (such as Café Chat L'Hereux, also sourced to its own website) is problematic. The first on in North America might be notable enough (if we could verify it); the rest have no particular claim to notability, and their inclusion opens the door for the mention of every cat café, returning us to a link farm. The mention of cafés that are planning on opening is even more problematic, opening the doors to all sorts of WP:CRYSTAL speculation. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:52, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: Café de Chats in Montreal is changed, both that and Café Chat L'Hereux should be the same,one reference. I thought I changed that. Thank you. The proposed cafes opening is relevant and can be referenced to one or two sources so they will not have too many link associated with the topic and cluttering up the article. Therefore, your concern with a link farm on this article looks to be resolved. Thanks again.Heatherhowell

This is turning into a link farm again. Individual cat cafes are adding themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.58.67.113 (talk) 23:58, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

The continent headings are not encyclopedic and need to be removed. Unless someone can demonstrate why a list of most cat cafés around the world belongs in an encyclopedia I will remove them shortly. UKWikiGuy (talk) 21:42, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Restored some deleted content

Any sentence about a cafe that's cited by the cafe's website should be deleted. However, edits like this are not constructive; in that edit, two sentences containing wikilinks to reliably sourced Wikipedia articles on a specific cat cafes were deleted. Those, and many other cafes in that edit, are clearly notable enough to merit coverage in this article based upon the sources that cover them. Consequently, I've re-added the set of cafes from that edit that were deleted despite being cited by a WP:RS. In other sections of this article, there's still a number of sentences about cafes which lack a citation to a reliable source though. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 07:53, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

History - 1st cafe in Japan

The introductory "History" paragraph seems a little confusing in that it presents 2 different cat cafes in Japan as being the first (in Japan), one in 2004, and one in 2005... --EzraJones (talk) 13:44, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Global/regional standards for Cat Cafes?

Hi guys, I wanted to contribute a bit of my time with more details about the legal background of cat cafes on a global scale. Are there any organizations which define a "code of conduct" for operating a cat cafe? As I understand most of the cafes have to respect the normal hygiene standards of the respective country and depending on the place need a license from a agriculture/animal licensing body. So there are basically two things, which are mixed in the operation of a cat cafe:

• Operating a Cafe (serving drinks & food)
• Operating a Pet Shop/Animal exhibition (maintain and protect animals from customers, make sure that there are no diseases)

Happy to explore more! --huggi - never stop exploring (talk) 00:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I've yet to encounter anything like this. It's almost certainly going to come down to municipal and state/province/county/prefecture/departement/canton health codes. E.g., in Oakland, California, the cats are separated from the café proper, because you can't have cats running around where people are being served food. This doesn't seem to be an issue in Manchester (though the cats aren't in the pic we have, as someone notes below, just cat furniture).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:27, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

No Cats in picture of Manchester cat café

Could be anywhere. Maybe find a more relevant picture?86.138.45.7 (talk) 15:56, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Of course they could be anywhere. Cats're good at hiding. >;-) Heh. Know, I know what you mean. There is some cat furniture in evidence, including "run up the wall" steps, so it's faintly relevant, but hopefully someone will supply one with "proof of cat life".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:24, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Comprehensive or spam?

This article is increasingly growing a list of (confirmable but non-notable) cat cafés. I'm not sure any cat café anywhere is notable, but a list of them is potentially within WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE bounds. Maybe better formatted as an actual list, under a "List of" heading (and redirected to from List of cat cafés. However, the direct pasting-in of links to these places need to get cleaned up, as ref citations. Its permissible, perhaps, as WP:ABOUTSELF primary sourcing, despite potential SEO WP:SPAM concerns. I really don't spend any time balancing spam vs. completion of coverage concerns, so others should probably weigh in on this. I just know what what we have right this moment is a mess and isn't compliant with WP:EL, at very least.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:12, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

"distinct honor"?

"Oakland's Cat Town has the distinct honor of being the first cat cafe to open its doors to customers, signing a lease in July 2014 and opening just months later in October.[98]"

"distinct honor" sounds like marketing language, and is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Even if it might be true, it's not supported by the article cited. I've changed the sentence to use neutral language. Omc (talk) 20:45, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Zurich cat café

Dear Ajf773,

How come you qualified my entry yesterday as "promotional" (in adddition to other defaults you mention)? Believe me it wasn't. I (76) was in contact with my granddaughter (21) in the Netherlands and she told me about a cat café she goes to; as she doesn't speak German and I don't speak Dutch, we converse/write in English. So I checked Wikipedia in English and found Switzerland missing in the list, which prompted me to search for cat cafés in my country. And that was the only one I found. I am aware that other cat cafés in other countries (and some planned in Switzerland, but that didn't materialize) have it in their concepts to find permanent homes for homeless cats, and this one doesn't. But in the introductory text of the article this isn't mentioned as a request. And you know, cat cafés can no doubt be a very good thing for cats needing a home, but they can also serve humans who may be feeling lonely or just badly missing the possibility to keep a pet.

Please, Ajf773, let me know what (by way of information) it would take to make you or other Wikipedians refrain from simply deleting my input. I explicitly kept it short and prim, hoping to enlarge on it, if (IF!) I could find suitable information (online and/or by visiting the place, when the opportunity arises next time). I mean : It only said that, at long last, a cat café does now exist in Switzerland (which is a fact and can surely not be interpreted as promotional). You also write "unsourced"... but that's just the point: I explicitly didn't give a link neither to the articles in the press, which could be qualified as promotional, nor to the café's website (of which the same could be said). So what would you suggest as a valid source? - PS: I don't quite know what you mean by "non-notable content"... I hope I have explained now why my information was so short and barren - it was precisely to avoid the reproach of undue partiality (=promotional intentions).

Best thanks in advance for your reply ! Mpa swiss (talk) 10:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• I removed your edit because Wikipedia is not a place to advertise businesses. They can be mentioned to accommodate an article if they can demonstrate notability as under the general notability policy WP:GNG and are relevant to the article topic. There was no sources attached to this edit. I stand by my decision to remove it. Ajf773 (talk) 19:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Consolidation

with the info above about link farming and notability in mind, including the decision to allow content backed up byWikipedia:RS to remain, I still think the discussion of individual cat cafés in the History section should be consolidated. I know I’m part of the problem as I just added info about individual cat cafés in Austin, but 1) the controversy surrounding the Blue Cat Café was a fairly well-covered story in local and state outlets for years and 2) I’m happy to remove my edits to conform with a more streamlined approach to this section Laurenschneider210 (talk) 12:58, 13 September 2023 (UTC)