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January 20, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 20:44, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

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Linkrot: none found. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:45, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
Among them films were The Town That Dreaded Sundown, "them films"?
This was a typo. Changed to just "them". — Hun ter Ka hn 22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
...but ultimately agreed to provide about $100,000 of the $160,000 budget for Pierce's first film. Prior to directing his first film,... Can we rephrase this? Two instances of "first film" in close proximity is rather clunky.
Good call. Changed the second "directing his first film" to "his directorial debut". — Hun ter Ka hn 22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Try to vary the phrasing a little. There are many instances where the repetitive pattern of sentences starting with the word "Pierce" or "he" jar somewhat. Read the article out aloud, and give it a thorough copy-edit to improve the flow.
See my comment below. — Hun ter Ka hn 22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He had previously refused to participate in an earlier sequel, Return to Boggy Creek (1977), which was filmed by director Tom Moore. Pierce did not participate in the production and did not like the final film. Repetitious
Reworded. — Hun ter Ka hn 22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Like the earlier sequel, Pierce did not like his own finished film and considered it his worst directorial effort. Very poor grammar.
Reworded. — Hun ter Ka hn 22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also that year, the festival's best film award in his honor to the Charles B. Pierce Award for Best Film Made in Arkansas As it stands this is meaningless.
Should have read "...award was renamed in his honor...". Fixed. — Hun ter Ka hn 22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Judges Special Recognition Award, surely should be Judges' Special Recognition Award?
Fixed. — Hun ter Ka hn 22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Pierce's first wife was Cindy Butler, who appeared in a role in his film The Town That Dread Sundown. Although they divorced, Pierce said they remained friends after they parted. He remarried Beth Pulley Pierce, who he met while filming Hawken's Breed. "He remarried Beth Pulley Pierce" implies that these two had been married (and presumably) divorced previously. I also note that "Beth Pulley Pierce" was not her name when they married?
I believe I've now fixed this. — Hun ter Ka hn 22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Overall the prose could do with a thorough copy-edit as noted above. It seems rather slapdash and carelessly put together at present.~~
See my comment below. — Hun ter Ka hn 22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
References appear reliable and those which I can access check out.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
~~I don't think that the Selected filmography should include his set decorating credits, which are not particularly notable.~~
Are you recommending simply removing all of the set decorating credits altogether? I'll do this if you feel strongly about it, but I guess I'd rather not. His work as a set decorator is discussed at various points in the article, and it seems odd to me to leave it out of the filmography altogether. Perhaps, as a suggestion, we should keep in the films in which the article specifically mentions (cited by reliable sources) his work as a set decorator (like Coffy, Hondo, Black Belt Jones, etc.) and remove the ones where they are not cited in the article? (like The Phantom Tollbooth, The Strawberry Statement, An Eye for an Eye, etc.) Let me know what you think. — Hun ter Ka hn 22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I take your point.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
One image used with caption and FUR, which is OK as subject is deceased.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
On hold for seven days for above issues to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:50, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks for addressing those issues, I am happy to pass this as worthy of GA status. Jezhotwells (talk) 03:38, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I've addressed all your specific issues above. Some time in the next 1-2 days, I will do another top-to-bottom copy edit to address the more general phrasing and prose items you mentioned above. I'll let you know when it's done. Thanks for the review! — Hun ter Ka hn 22:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've given it a copy edit and also incorporated your suggested changes. I'm happy to look over it again or fix any other problems. Just let me know. Thanks! — Hun ter Ka hn 00:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Charles' first wife was actually Florene (Flo) Pierce and they had 3 children together, Pam, Chuck and Amy. After they divorced, is when he married Cindy Butler. Flo was in a couple of his movies. She passed away Sept. 30, 2010 in Texarkana, AR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.20.3.49 (talk) 17:54, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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COI edits

Please review new edits and remove Notice of Conflict box. I have made factual, easily verifiable edits. Also, Charles B. Pierce set design credits such as 'Phantom Tollbooth' are incorrect and should be removed. There is question to a third wife, and her legal name. Florene "Flo" Pierce was in "The Legend of Boggy Creek", "Bootlegger's", and "The Winds of Autumn. Charles B. Pierce suffered Alzheimer's Disease and died on March 5, 2010 in a nursing home, in Erin, TN, isolated from family and friends. He willed his estate to his first wife, Florene Lyons Pierce, and their three children. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrWillyCreek (talk • contribs) 20:30, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After looking at the edits from the COI editor, I did a bit of cleanup, but overall, they seem to be OK. Thanks. John Nagle (talk) 08:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've also reviewed the edits. Sourced references to Pierce's ex-wife, Beth Pulley, were deleted from the article, so I've restored them. I also added citations with reliable sources to a recently-added (and previously unsourced) sentence about Pierce's granddaughter being a noted photographer. Otherwise, the edits look fine, and since another impartial editor has reviewed them in addition to myself, I will remove the Notice of Conflict box from the article. — Hun ter Ka hn 03:37, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

The lead of this article is too long and includes too many specific details which are not necessary here and are covered later in the article. The body of the article is around the 15,000 character mark, which means according to WP:LEADLENGTH the lead should be 1-2 paragraphs, not the current 4. For example, the second paragraph opens with details of his birthplace and childhood move of towns,and early jobs, details which should not be in the lead but are correctly covered later under "early life." I suggest the 2nd, 3rd and 4th paragraphs could all be cut down to one paragraph which gives an overview of his career. As per WP:LEADELEMENTS the lead should "establish significance" and "be written in a way that makes readers want to know more" rather than give so many details which are then just repeated in the body. Melcous (talk) 05:47, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If we're going by a strict interpretation of WP:LEADLENGTH, the lead should actually be 2 or 3 paragraphics because the article is above the 17,000 character mark. I don't entirely agree with your assessment of the lead because I think most of the details were important ones, not trivial. That being said, I've tightened the lead per your suggestions. — Hun ter Ka hn 14:40, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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