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Ice Hockey teams[edit]

Is ice hockey a sufficiently notable sport to warrant mention in this article? The city has two clubs - Manchester Storm and Manchester Phoenix, but neither are based in the city. Surely the actual geographical location of the stadia which the teams play out of is irrelevant? Both teams claim to represent the city - the clue is in their names? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Vandals[edit]

Attention, vandals: Ratchester. Carlotm (talk) 21:23, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Alternative pronunciations[edit]

Manchester (/ˈmænɪstə/)--Oxford Dictionaries. "Manchester". Oxford University Press, 2013. Accessed 27 August 2013. An editor prefers |ər but has not provided an alternative reference. I think we should discuss which version we prefer. Educated speedh in Moston and Cheetham Hill would object to |æ| which is so terribly Auksford! Personally I have met so many different ways, separated by class, age and locallly I wouldn't trust my own opinion.--ClemRutter (talk) 23:57, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Hi. Your references are sound. However, please see our prior discussion at User_talk:R.marrisen78, which was used to resolve exactly similar disputes on the Melbourne page... twice. Let me know if my contention is still unclear. Thank you. Wolfdog (talk) 11:43, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
You are doing brilliant work with all these fancy squiggles! I was alerted by two sensitivities- one a fact changed but the reference remained unchanged- and two- that anyone was trying to touch a major item on an FA-, hence the revert.
I have followed the reference you gave and I was almost convinced until I followed through to the line 'these have merged in UK English'. No. Where I live this is true but in Manchester with its remnants of an older English 'Northern vowels' it hasn't yet happened. Teaching EFL in Manchester we would correct Spanish students who pronounced it as is was written- and tell them it was more like Manchest- urgh! Salford- Oldham gave deeper problems when southern vowels were used- or the phonetic system used in secondary schools in Spain. And |æ| needs to be researched too.
Coming from a middle class Northern RP background I had a grandmother who would pick up any trace of 'that disgusting accent the poor boys speak'- and going to school on the bus I crossed at least three lingusitic fault lines- and lived in terror of getting roughed up because 'he spoke proper'. (off focus anecdote!)
If you do eventually decide to make a change I think you need to think about how this should be referenced because further comment is needed- I suggest we leave this open for further comment and then feel free to make the final decision. --ClemRutter (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure what your basic argument is. On WP, the protocol is to use IPA that is inclusive to as many World Englishes as possible; it has nothing to do with references (though you can easily see r-including pronunciations in various US dictionaries, for example). If you say a phrase like "Manchester is" is there not a linking "r" sound at least in that phrase? The historical R is an inherent part of the word. Again, I feel a great compromise (like on the current Melbourne page) is to have the more universal English IPA transcription as well as a local one. Wolfdog (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
To be specific, I'm talking about the /ər/ and /ə/ vowels, as I think you understand. On WP, the /ər/ in /ˈmænɪstər/ is what we're getting at: a sound that most Americans, Canadians, and Irish and West Country natives, for example, would pronounce something like [ɚ], most southern Britons (Londoners, Welsh folk, etc.) would pronounce [ə], northern English people would pronounce [ə] or [ɜ], and so on. Wikipedia's (based primarily on John C. Wells') way to universally represent that phoneme is /ər/. Is there some objection to this? Wolfdog (talk) 19:50, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Please don't spell "Oxford" as "Auksford". /ɒ/ is not the same as /ɔ/ in British English. --94.217.102.134 (talk) 14:59, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hatnotes...many there are[edit]

Per the Wikipedia guideline WP:HAT "If at all possible, limit hatnotes to just one at the top of the page." This article presently has a list of six different links, this seems excessive to me.
I think the numbers need to be trimmed down a bit to include the disambiguation page of [[Manchester (disambiguation)]], the [[2017 Manchester Arena incident]] article while it is a major news story (for the short-term) and perhaps the [[Manchester, New Hampshire]] article. I changed it to that configuration, it was reverted, so let's discuss. Shearonink (talk) 03:33, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I removed the Arena incident hatnote since the 'recent news' template is taking care of that possible issue. Shearonink (talk) 03:36, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

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Grecoprofanity[edit]

Μάνχεστρο: shitty Manchester, when we support a non-Mancunian team versus a Mancunian

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