Talk:Clemens August Graf von Galen

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There is something wrong with the section defining the German word Graf. Should it read "While it WAS usual?" And isn't the phrase "nobiliary particle" (instead of noble). We refer to ennobled personages all the time without using a "von", e.g., Goethe, Keyser, Harry Kessler. This section on names occurs many times in Wikipedia and needs to be cleaned up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halser (talkcontribs) 18:30, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Euthanasia (Action T-4)[edit]

The writer says that the euthanasia victims, "life unworthy of living," in Nazi jargon, were sent to concentration camps to be killed, but that isn't true. The writer here has conflated several different things. There were a number of "centres", various hospitals, where the murders were done, often by gassing, but sometimes by lethal injection, sometimes even by starving. The code name for the euthanasia was "Aktion T-4" and when, as a result of Galen's denunciation, the program slowed down, the gassing technicians were, within a very few months, moved over to the concentration camps to begin working on the so-called "final solution" to the "Jewish problem" (i.e., the Holocaust). A good source for all this is in Ian Kershaw's biography of Hitler, volume 2 (Nemesis). You will have to use the index to tie all the threads together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonemacduff (talkcontribs) 15:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Clemens August Graf von Galen[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Clemens August Graf von Galen's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Ian Kershaw p.381-382":

Reference named "Ian Kershaw pp210-11":

  • From Catholic Church and Nazi Germany: Ian Kershaw; The Nazi Dictatorship: Problems and Perspectives of Interpretation; 4th Edn; Oxford University Press; New York; 2000"; pp. 210–11
  • From Catholic resistance to Nazi Germany: Ian Kershaw; The Nazi Dictatorship: Problems and Perspectives of Interpretation; 4th Edn; Oxford University Press; New York; 2000; pp210-11

Reference named "William L. Shirer p234-5":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 06:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Source material[edit]

I was looking for the original written speeches of Cardinal Clemens von Galen and found two typed documents at and wonder if they should be in this english article?--Mark v1.0 (talk) 12:30, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

I think you mean images of the typescripts. I don't think they add anything at all. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 00:42, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Unclear pompous style[edit]

The style has to be made more encyclopedic. Some phrases are meaningless: "British occupiers, who, in his view, complicated by hostile act.." Zezen (talk) 08:31, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I did a little work on this, but what's needed is a full reworking by someone with the sources at hand, not just editing. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 18:28, 31 October 2015 (UTC)