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Did you know... that snowfall in Buenos Aires is rare, being observed only three times since the start of meteorological observations in 1906?

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 07:14, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to take this, will post all my comments soon. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 07:14, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comprehensive, interesting article. Here are my comments:

Lead

~~It would be good to add "Argentina" in the first line.~~

Done With this edit, I added a brief mention of it being the capital of Argentina. Ssbbplayer (talk) 01:58, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

4 distinct seasons "four" would be better, I think.

Done with this edit. For consistencies, let's use words rather than numerals for number values. Ssbbplayer (talk) 01:58, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~What is "the central observatory"?~~

Done it refers to the name of the meteorological station that has been operational since 1906. I have added a note to clarify this. Ssbbplayer (talk) 02:15, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~"frontal systems", "insolation", "low pressure", "pressure gradient" will need a link or an explanation.~~

Done with edit. For frontal systems, it is more related to the weather fronts page. Ssbbplayer (talk) 01:58, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

causing hot and cold days to be rare As far as I understand maritime influence, I think you mean "too" hot and "too" cold days are rare, that is, extreme temperatures are rare. If you think it is proper to reword this, then please do so here as well as in the main article.

Yes. It is correct that maritime influences make extreme temperatures rare. Would this be fine? Ssbbplayer (talk) 02:03, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~Minor CE [1].~~

I checked it. None of the meanings in each sentence have been changed. Ssbbplayer (talk) 02:03, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

General climatology

~~Link Köppen climate classification, Atlantic Ocean, South Atlantic High, frontal system and air mass (may be explained), Pampas, El Niño, La Niña~~

Done. For air masses, I only mentioned that it is polar maritime originally. But I think the link is good enough since explaining it may be too wordy in this section. Ssbbplayer (talk) 02:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be better to explain the geographical setting and maritime influence; the first para can be rephrased a bit like this (I have included some CE in this): ... Due to the maritime influences of the adjoining Atlantic Ocean, its climate is temperate, and hot and cold days are rare. Thus the cold air coming directly from the south (moderated by the maritime influence) is warmer than the southwestern winds (which are not moderated by it).

Done I would agree too. The addition of the extra information helps to relate the maritime influences more better. I changed it to reflect this. The second sentence "Thus the cold air..." was modified by me to "Thus, cold air coming directly from the south are moderated by the Atlantic Ocean and warmer than winds from the southwest (which are not moderated by it)". I think that this explains the causal mechanism behind how come the air is more warmer if it comes from the south than from the southwest. It also relates to the role of the maritime influence in moderating cold temperatures. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:45, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

it produces storms that are generally located north of the city although it produces strong winds from the south or southeast that can occasionally lead to the swelling of the Río de la Plata, which can flood coastal areas Why is "although" used? What contrast does it denote?

I have checked the source. There was a misinterpretation that I did not catch. If you change the language of the source to the English version and go to page 2, this is where the information is from. According to that source, it says "In autumn and summer, it (the South Atlantic High) produces cyclogenesis generally in the north of Buenos Aires but can affect the La Plata River area creating intense winds from the S-SE that occasionally cause swelling of the river level and flooding in the waterfront area." What the source is trying to say is that the South Atlantic High produces cyclogenesis And produce strong winds that may cause swelling of the river and lead to floods in the area. After reviewing the source, it should not be although and I have edited this to clarify it. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:12, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~Say "sudestada" or "Sudestada".~~

Done Should be in capital letters since this is the name of a specific wind. Ssbbplayer (talk) 02:26, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What does "polar maritime" mean?

Polar maritime refers to a cool (polar as arctic is the very cold air mass while tropical is warm/hot), moist (maritime is moist, if it was continental, it is dry). I changed it and add a source that is relevant to Argentina (most air mass descriptions focus on USA or UK). A definition for air masses is at this source by the US National Weather Service. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:34, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~Add a note on nortes.~~

Done I have explained the term nortes which was transferred from the article on climatic regions of Argentina. This is because the source from it is reliable and I could not find any other reliable sources on this. The note would clutter the citation and make editing hard so providing an in text explanation would be a better way. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Because the sudestada brings the highest wind speeds, when combined with the astronomical tides What are you combining with the astronomical tides, the sudestada or the wind speeds?

According to the source, they are combining the wind speeds with astronomical tides, not the event known as the Sudestada itself. I clarified this statement. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Its geomorphic and topography You mean "geomorphology"?

Yes. It should be geomorphology. My mistake. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

more low lying and are poor Poor in what way, in infrastructure or economy?

Done I clarified this. This refers to these neighbourhoods being inhabited by poor people. Hence, it refers to poor people or people of low socioeconomic status, not infrastructure. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:29, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The urban heat island influences the climate of the city with the city being warmer than suburban and rural areas How does the urban heat island influence the climate? I am not sure if the second part of the sentence, after "while", is describing the influence. If you clarify I can reword it for better.

It influences the climate of the city by making it warmer overall. For the second sentence, it is used to illustrate how large is the difference in mean temperatures in the city proper than in suburban and rural areas owing to the urban heat island effect. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:54, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I rephrased this [2].

I checked the edit. It is fine. The meaning of the sentence has not changed. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The average heat island is smaller than in winter "in summer than in winter"?

Done. It is smaller in summer than in winter. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:22, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This varies by time; its influence during the day is the strongest in July than in January When you say "by time", it implies as if the effect changes from hour to hour in a day. I think you mean "by season".

Done Changed it to "by season". This is what the statement is illustrating. It illustrates how the urban heat island is affected by season and where the strongest impact lies within each season, not the hour by hour aspect. In this case, you are right. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:38, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

CE [3].

It is fine. I almost forgot about this copyedit. The meanings of the sentences did not changed in that edit. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:03, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spring

Minor CE [4]

I checked it. Looks perfectly fine! Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:40, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spring and season look too common to be linked

Done I would agree so. I removed the links from these 2 terms. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:44, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

the highest temperature recorded in spring is 36.8 °C (98.2 °F) When was this recorded?

Done Luckily, the source provides the date of occurrence of the highest temperature in Spring. It was on 27 November 1955 and I added this in an edit to clarify this. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:44, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

which is defined when there are 3 consecutive days in which the minimum and maximum temperature exceed 22.0 °C (71.6 °F) and 32.3 °C (90.1 °F) respectively I think this explains "heat wave", but is really wordy. The link alone will do.

I checked the link for heat wave. If one reads the definitions, it does not have a worldwide view and is biased towards developed countries. As well, the National Weather Service uses the 90th percentile temperatures with respect to the normal as the threshold which is how they came up with those numbers (though adding this in may be confusing to many readers). I removed this and put it as a note given the varying definitions of a heat wave among different countries. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Summer

Summer and traffic jam look too common to be linked

Done I removed these links. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:59, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is also the season with the most clear days, the least foggiest and the one with the most stormy days Appears confusing

After debating over this statement for a while. I think removing is better. This is because none of this statement or a similar variant of it appeared in the other seasons. I have read it too and it did not really flow well. As such, the statement is removed with this edit. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:59, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

such as the December 2013 heat wave What disturbances happened during this heat wave?

There was an increase in energy demand due to the heat wave. This lead to energy shortages which lead to power cuts, protests over these cuts and long traffic jams caused by the power cuts. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:08, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

due to the 2 contrasting air masses "two"

Done I changed "2" to "two". Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:10, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

and are followed by the passage of the cold, dry Pampero wind...tornadoes are relatively weak and rarely cause deaths Some information is repeated in this portion, and this could be shortened.

Done I merged two sentences into one since both repeat the same fact on bringing in thunderstorms and repeat that they are caused by the meeting of two contrasting air masses. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:18, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Winter

Minor CE [5]

I have checked the edit. Looks perfectly good! No issues with this one. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Winter and traffic jam look too common to be linked

Done I have removed these links. I used ctrl+F but could not find any word related to traffic jam. They were all in the summer section. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Snow occasionally occurs in the surrounding areas "Snowfall"?

Done Snowfall is the most correct term since it is extremely rare that snow would accumulate. Snowfall itself is rare. Also, I changed snow in the second part of that same sentence to snowfall too. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Duplink: frontal system

Done Removed that link. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Brazil may be linked.

Done I added a link to Brazil. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

which occurs on August 30 "around" August 30, because the storm can occur slightly before or slightly after this date.

Done Changed it to "around". Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Extremes

CE [6]

Done I checked the edit. It is fine and the meanings of the sentences were preserved so I see no problems in this. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above points addressed, I would be happy to promote this article. Good luck! Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 04:49, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have completed and resolved all the concerns above. If there are any more concerns, let me know and I will fix it. Thanks. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:25, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for all your efforts. I believe this can now be promoted. Cheers! Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 08:42, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Poor grammar — needs to go back to the source reference to correct

The following has poor grammatical structure and i cannot correct it without referencing the source as it is also unclear as to the intent in English.

” The average heat island is in summer than in winter. This varies by season; its influence during the day is the strongest in July than in January. In contrast, the urban heat island effect during nights is the most intense in January than in July.” Freakdog (talk) 16:16, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I edited it based on my intuition. If this is ok, i will delete this section.