Talk:Coach's Daughter

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Date	Process	Result
June 29, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed
July 17, 2012	Peer review	Reviewed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 22, 2012.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that audience laughter during a scene in the Cheers episode "Coach's Daughter" between Coach and his daughter Lisa was muted out in the final cut?

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American Gods

The Neil Gaiman book, American Gods won both the Hugo and Nebula awards. It also features this specific episode of Cheers as a major plot device. I think it warrants a mention. Bkatcher (talk) 02:01, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give us a quote and page, please? This edit does not mention the character or someone else controlling this episode wholefully. --George Ho (talk) 05:12, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I took so long, I couldn't find the page and ended up rereading the entire book (which you should do if you haven't read it).

Page 359: An episode of 'Cheers' began. Shadow (the book's main character) had never really watched 'Cheers'. He had only ever seen one episode of it--the one where Coach's daughter comes to the bar--although he had seen that several times. Shadow had noticed that you only ever catch one episode of shows you don't watch, over and over, years apart. He thought it must be some kind of cosmic law.

Later in the book, malevolent gods take over his TV during that same episode, and using the persona of Diane, Carla and Cliff, force him to watch his boss being murdered. I think since this is a major book and this episode is prominently mentioned, it warrants inclusion in the episode article. Bkatcher (talk) 05:22, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay; you may confirm by other pages and quotes, please. --George Ho (talk) 05:34, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Hello Bkatcher. I know I may be asking too much, but I'd be more comfortable if you provide a scan of the page 359, which contains the information you want added into the article. I'd be very delighted of you provide me with this evidence. This way, both George and I can verify the information, and then we'd be glad to add it to the article. I'd like to note that this is for verifiability and accuracy purposes alone, and does not represent any instance of ownership over the article's content. This extra measures are taken thanks to the article's current assessment, and thus, any information contained in it needs to be checked. Regards. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 05:37, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's on my Kindle. I don't know how to scan that.Bkatcher (talk) 12:28, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry. I bought the novel :D — ΛΧΣ²¹ 14:17, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And I found my paper copy. I'll send you scans tonight. In the paper copy, the section begins on pg. 405, though that may vary by edition. But if you read this book, you won't regret it.Bkatcher (talk) 14:23, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I appreciate it very much. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 15:41, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it happened in three or more consecutive pages without breaks: pp. 405-409. Some guy watches this episode, and then Gods control his TV, including three characters, to make that guy see his boss "Wednesday" murdered. Am I right? Anyway, I just read the scene of Gods taking over the general aspects of the show, NOT the whole episode. Therefore, it might warrant inclusion in the main article Cheers. I'm unsure about including it in this article, but I care too much about its GA status. --George Ho (talk) 23:07, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's what happened (and oddly, demons took over an episode of Cheers in another Neil Gaiman book, 'Good Omens'). Now we have a major work of literature that specifically mentions this very episode. In any other article, that would be worth a mention. I not only cited it, I hunted down a copy of the book, photocopied it, and sent you a scan. In 9 years of editing here, no one has ever made me do that, and as you are not moderators, I feel you've rather overstepped yourself in 'requiring that. I've made my case for inclusion. I still don't see your case against. Bkatcher (talk) 01:52, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You guys rock :) Bkatcher (talk) 02:20, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]