Talk:Constantine (son of Theophilos)

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Date	Process	Result
March 2, 2023	Good article nominee	Listed
March 21, 2023	Featured article candidate	Promoted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 4, 2023.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Constantine, an infant Byzantine emperor, reportedly died by drowning in a cistern after escaping the care of his nurse?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Constantine (son of Theophilos)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: HistoryofIran (talk · contribs) 15:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to review the article. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:52, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

Lead section

Life section

The lede has info that isn't mentioned in the body of the article, that is Constantine being from the Amorian dynasty. Please include a brief description (doesn't have to be that detailed, as this article is already on the short side) of Constantine's Amorian family in the Life section. Could perhaps tie in to the already mentioned Michael II, who was the first Amorian member to rule the Byzantine Empire? --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for starting this review @HistoryofIran. I'll begin comments when I get home later today. Unlimitedlead (talk) 16:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran This has just been done; I believe all comments have been taken care of now. Unlimitedlead (talk) 23:11, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Unlimitedlead: Awesome; this passes the GA review, congratulations on a great article! Let's see if I can manage to close the review without messing it up 😁. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your work @HistoryofIran! I'll definitely see you around; I plan on reviewing some of your own GANs over the next few months

Unlimitedlead (talk) 23:33, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What does "caesar" mean during this period? I'm assuming it's not similar to "emperor/king" anymore. Could you briefly mention what it means to Byzantine-history noobs like me? If it means, say, "commander", then perhaps you could write it like this; "who shortly before this (possibly as early as 831) had been promoted to caesar (commander)." --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:48, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Unlimitedlead (talk) 19:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Could the same also be done for "basileus", which I'm assuming still means "emperor" here? Could be something as basic as "still not a formal title, but an honorific interchangeable with basileus, i.e. emperor)." --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Unlimitedlead (talk) 19:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notes section

Good and valuable info, fits as a note in this instance. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:43, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References section

Is there a particular reason that most of the citations list the name of the author, whilst two (Prosopographie der mittelbyzantinischen Zeit and ODB) do not? --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Based on my experience at FA, the formatting of the PdmZ and ODB acceptable; I think the reason behind this is that both have their own specialized templates (if you go into the code, you'll see) that are unlike average {{sfn}} templates. Unlimitedlead (talk) 19:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sources section

The "Ancient sources" sub-section could use a bit more info. The first "source" is just a link to Constantine VII? --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have just removed that section. Byzantine articles usually have some primary/ancient sources listed, but not always. Unlimitedlead (talk) 19:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 10:37, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Constantine, a Byzantine co-emperor, reportedly died by drowning in a cistern at the Palace of Blachernae after escaping the care of his nurse?~~ Source: Lilie, Ralph-Johannes; Ludwig, Claudia; Pratsch, Thomas; Zielke, Beate (1998–2013). Prosopographie der mittelbyzantinischen Zeit (in German). Berlin and Boston: De Gruyter. , Herrin, Judith (2002) [2001]. Women in Purple: Rulers of Medieval Byzantium. London: Phoenix Press. ISBN 1-84212-529-X. Page 192.
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Improved to Good Article status by Unlimitedlead (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 05:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Constantine (son of Theophilos); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Thanks @Onegreatjoke: for nominating this. I will say, however, that the hook would benefit from losing the "Palace of Blachernae" part (for length), and briefly mentioning that Constantine was an infant while all of this occurred. Unlimitedlead (talk) 11:46, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Have you seen this? Unlimitedlead (talk) 23:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ~~"... that Constantine, a Byzantine co-emperor, reportedly died by drowning in a cistern as a child after escaping the care of his nurse?"~~ Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I like: ALT2: "... that Constantine, an infant Byzantine emperor, reportedly died by drowning in a cistern after escaping the care of his nurse?" Unlimitedlead (talk) 17:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed now that ALT hooks have been proposed. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New GA (now FA) and long enough. Well written and cited for the paucity of info on the subject (after the hook, seeing the coin in the infobox is to me the most interesting thing). ALT2 works (), striking other versions. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 17:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]