Talk:Dabolim Airport

Professionalism

Can we please just generally tidy up this article. Some of the language used is simply not want you expect to find in an encyclopedia. For example, can we choose another subtitle for the section named "tying things down". This is Wikipedia!! More professionalism needed please!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.44.16 (talk) 18:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Query

For quite some time now, clicking on the item "Airports Authority of India: Goa Airport" in "External Links" results in HTTP 404 error, "file not found". This link should either be removed or replaced.

The article states that the ICAO Code of Goa is "VAGO". However, the Mumbai/Chennai FIR lines (VABF/VOMF) were realigned a few months ago and Goa now falls in the Chennai FIR. It is therefore redesignated as "VOGO". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.178.195.132 (talk) 09:52, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion

In the "External Links" on the Kochi (CIAL) airport page there is a link to A-ZWorld Airports which opens to a googlearth picture of the airport. This site also has a link to Dabolim airport. Is it possible for some kind soul to provide a A-ZWorld Airport link to Dabolim airport's googlearth picture as an extrernal link in the article on Dabolim? Thanks.

It appears that A-Z is down (again) so I can't check to see they have the picture. However, if you click on the coordinate link in the infobox you will be able to see a google sat picture. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Cool! I found wikimapia worked perfectly. Thanks.

Problem

Updated article a short while ago but the history does not show it though the article does! Wha hoppen?

Question

While trying to edit the infobox I discovered that the contents of the infobox in the article do not match some of those in the edit page. History reflects the (two) changes but the article infobox does not. Why?

Are you talking about this edit? If so it's because you used the information after the | as in "run by=Airports Authority of India|Indian Navy". I think tthis is what you were looking for. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 14:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Am still having a problem with "serves" and "closest town". :)

Ok from what I see, the airport is in the town of Vasco da Gama, Goa in the state of Goa. What you have to decide is which is the main place/area it serves and list that under "closest town". In this case I put the town but I think that's an error and it shoud be the state. It's caused a bit of confusion as most large airports are not in the town they serve. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 04:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually its both coz Vasco is the Navy base and Goa is the civilian destination. Tried to change to "Vasco da Gama/Goa" to reflect this duality but it got reverted! Btw, its fairly common in India to have (smallish) airports smack dab in the middle of big cities.

It's difficult to use two places in the infobox. About the only way to do it is like Olds-Didsbury Airport. Which would mean closest town=[[Vasco da Gama, Goa]]-[[Goa]]| which would give you [[Vasco da Gama, Goa-Goa]] in the infobox. One thing that could be done is to use "Goa" in the infobox. Then re-write the first paragraph to indicate the dual useage of the airport. After looking at the introduction it would seem to me that everything after the second sentence should go further down into the article. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me who reverted it. I misunderstood your edit summary along with the link breaking. My apologies for reverting it and issuing you a warning. -- Gogo Dodo 18:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Net-net, maintaining status quo is OK by me. :)

Model articles?

It is interesting to find that Dabolim has been included as a wikiproject on airports. The information provided on such projects is truly exhaustive. I have noted that the Dabolim article "needs major consolidation". My personal goal is to see it evolve into a featured article. Any model airport articles which can be suggested for this purpose? Thanks.

Request

The link in "Surface Transport" to "Vasco da Gama" should be to the city in Goa and not to the person after whom it is named. Hopefully, any "Goa" bit can be suitably hidden. Thanks.

Extensive edits

I have made very extensive edits to this article because it was full of uncertainties, speculation, guesses and personal opinion by the writers. We need just the facts and a little bit of speculation. I have had to make dozens of edits about the Navy role and much else. This artticle does not suit Featured Article status (and I think never will) unless an experienced writer sorts out the facts, drastically reduces the speculation and starts again. Sorry to be so honest! - Adrian Pingstone 08:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. No need to be apologetic. It is all in the nature of the "mixed use" beast! As you will appreciate, wiki's need for zero-POV comes into some conflict with the objective of being cmprehensive. When one side is being secretive its unreal to expect a whole array of solid facts. In the process of trying to be comprehensive things appear to be speculation, POV etc. In normal editing, there is a risk of throwing the baby of (scanty) information out with the bathwater. What we need is surgical editing relying on turns of phrase, not sledgehammer tactics. Nothing personal, ok?

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Sledgehammer tactics were entirely necessary here, chopping off bits around the edges would not have made the article professional and NPOV. I didn't enjoy hacking other people's work to bits but, in the interests of a professional encyclopedia, that's how it had to be. You make my point for me when you say "In the process of trying to be comprehensive things appear to be speculation, POV etc" Exactly my point, WP does not speculate and does not have a POV, only the facts are presented for both sides and not the authors opinions or beliefs. The article was solid with estimates, personal views, uncertain budgets and probables. This is not what WP can accept.(By the way, please sign your contributions, just add a hyphen and 4 tildes (the wavy thing above the Hash key): like this - ~~~~). Best Wishes - Adrian Pingstone 09:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Fine. I only hope wiki doesnt end up carrying lowest common denominator, inconsequential pap! And regarding your earlier point about never making it to featured article, that's also fine. But the question is whether that is because the material is patently unimportant or because of some other reason. Would appreciate any hints. Regarding POV, you yourself said "some" POV is OK, right? So which is it, actually?61.1.76.42 09:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)PST

Yes, a little bit of informed speculation is OK but your writing was too heavy on the speculation. I felt that whole paras were nothing but speculation about what the Navy thought or was about to do or would do in the future. Having edited WP every day since January 2003 I have a feel for what is encyclopedic writing and what is not. Your writing style is excellent but just too heavily laced with opinion and unprovable statements.

No, WP won't end up as pap if the writing is neutral and factual. You are well on your way to that, I just gave the article a push in that direction. Yes, all material is important, we are only discussing the style here. Best - Adrian Pingstone 10:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification re amount of POV and 'style vs substance'. As mentioned the problems are inherent in mixed use (Indian) airports because the military takes shelter behind secrecy and self serving announcements. In fact, I myself fully subscribe to the need for factual statements. For the past few years I have been accumulating whatever information comes to hand in the public domain about Dabolim. So it is not at all stuff I have pulled out of a hat. Whenever there have been changes I have updated the article (and others on Indian airports). Finally, I want to mention that my benchmark is google where I have been glad to see the wiki entry on Dabolim airport climb from 3rd to 1st place over the past month. That counts for something I guess though, of course, you are the final authority on wiki content. Now that you have cleaned up the POV I guess I am free to add some 'new' POV elements where possible and the cycle might repeat! Hope wiki wins in the process. Cheers. 61.1.69.80 12:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC) PST

Hope your over-zealous POV elimination does not in and of itself inadvertently become a POV of some kind! Just a thought. 61.1.69.80 12:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC) PST

Your replies have suddenly changed character from intelligent to sarcastic. What a pity!

- Google ranking has no connection whatever with article quality

- I am not the final authority, just someone who has read many thousands of articles and so knows WP style

- saying that you are now free to add more POV is just daft

- saying POV elimination could itself be a form of POV has no meaning

- Wiki will indeed win if Wiki standards are maintained ie NPOV writing

I'll say goodbye to you now, take the airport off my Watchlist and maybe look at it in some months to see how it looks. Good luck - Adrian Pingstone 18:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I just came here looking for information on GOI and I have to say I fully agree with Adrian — this article reads like an essay, not an encyclopedia article. I've given it a few whacks of the sledgehammer, but many more are needed. Jpatokal 13:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I just went to the dictionary to look for the definition of encyclopedia. It says "book, set of books, giving information on every (branch of a) subject ..." How does 'removal' of information on GOI help to make the article encyclopedic. Just curious.````pst

Partial Roll-back

I visited the page for SAN and was interested to find an international comparison right upfront. What's ok for SAN should be ok for GOI. Hence I have reverted, partially, the edit of Jpatokal.

K.P.Candeth

The newspaper account in the WP article on K.P.Candeth does say "Lt.Gen". But he may have been promoted after the Goa invasion and Lt.Governorship. Pls see the following link: http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1960s/Goa01.html I leave it to you to decide what the correct rank is for the GOI article. 61.1.69.155 05:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)PST

I think you may have fallen into the usual error of ranks here. At the time of the raid he was Major General and then later promoted to Lieutenant General. See Indian Army#Rank Structure CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoa! We both agree that he was major general at the time of the invasion and was promoted later to Lt.Gen, right? Your take on it for the GOI article is ok by me. That is what I myself had proposed.:) 61.1.76.2 07:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)PST

Sorry I misunderstood that you were using his rank at the time rather than his final rank. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

References

First off military should take precedence over public as per Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports/Infobox/Archive 3#Airport types.

The first thing that caught my attention was "Such combinations are usually problematic. So far, Dabolim airport is no exception." Then I noticed that there are a lot of interesting facts that look good and should have references such as "A peculiarity of the airport lies in the concentration of 80% of civilian traffic in the period between 1:00 pm and 6:00 pm during weekdays, with the balance in the early morning hours. This is because of naval restrictions for military flight training purposes." Something like that does not look made up so it should be easy to find a reference.

There are some references given at the bottom of the page but they need to be linked into the article. Other things like this may be good but why is this person believable? He may be a good authority on the airport but I can't tell that.

61.1.XX.XXX you have done a lot of great work and that should be acknowledged. I'm not trying to attack it or say there is anything wrong with just that it's time to put in some references. And remember, references don't always have to be web based. I have provided article references from several books that have no equivalent on the net.

By the way in reference to your remark "...tag should not be a license to hit the delete button indiscriminately!". When I added the unsourced tag it was not an indication that I was going to start removing stuff without giving you a chance to supply the references. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarifications. Wish all this had been done earlier. Regarding "military taking precedence", in this case the airport was originally civilian. And even after the military take-over it is primarily serving a civilian function and is expected to continue to do so. What exactly struck you about the line regarding "problematic combinations"? Please elaborate. There is a considerable amount of discussion regarding the military flight restrictions so the point about 80% may not need a documentary reference to a statistical exercise. You are welcome to change the wording to reflect NPOV or whatever. Regarding the linking of article data to the references at the bottom and other nonweb sources this could be done by interested wiki savvy contributor(s). Finally, thanks for the pat on the back and for the assurance that there wont be deletions (as in the past -- by others and not you) without advance notice/suggestions and if possible the exercise of more advanced editing skills.:)61.1.74.55 10:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)pst

Sorry about not bringing up earlier. If you have the sources but are not sure on how to link them then just put them on the talk page and someone can insert them. In the case of books and magazines that are not normally available on the web then an ISBN number is the best thing along with the title and author, etc. Can you say where the current four references should be linked to? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I was hoping someone would insert "citations needed" (which I have observed in some other wiki airport articles and I could try to do the needful.61.1.69.242 07:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)pst

Invasion?

The end of Portuguese colonial rule in 1961 following a military action by the Indian Army is being referred to as an "invasion". This is not NPOV. It reflects the debate promoted by a handful who believe or suggest that Portuguese rule was the natural state of affairs in South Asia. In the interest of fairness, it might be acceptable to say that even the term "Liberation" (the official description in post-1961 Goa) is not NPOV. Such events should be just described as what they were -- the end of Portuguese rule, 1961, the end of Portuguese rule following a military action by the Indian Army... whatever. There are surely more neutral terms. --fredericknoronha 01:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Some local military people have equated it to "police action" to which I have suggested "excessive police action"!

61.1.69.242 07:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)pst

On second thoughts there is a basic wiki issue here. Use of existing terms creates NPOV problems as highlighted by FN. On the other hand if we coin a new term you run into problems with NOR, right?61.1.69.27 09:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)pst

Not signed?

Strangly, some of the discussions on this page, and many of the edits on the Dabolim airport page seem unsigned. While signing the edits is not mandatory, it would help to enhance the credibility of the page (perhaps) by knowing who created the same. --fredericknoronha 01:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

The ip in question edits under several different variations of 61.1.XX.XXX

Must be a dial up connection. 61.1.69.242 07:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)pst

Massive Cleaning

I just spent a couple hours cleaning up this article. I removed and changed a lot of information because much of what was included in this article was either not encylopedic, not relevant, or completely biased. There was also a big formatting issue and a reference issue that I tried to solve. The article still needs a lot of work, and there is a lot of information that needs sources. NcSchu 17:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

It is good to see that the substantial editing was done in conjunction with the rating of the article on the quality and importance scales. The new reference(s) was/were also appreciated. Changes have also been made to some ralated wiki articles. All in all, a welcome intervention. Let's hope this sets the trend for future updates. 61.1.69.38 05:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)pst

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 17:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Charter Flights

Some charter flights have been deleted from "Airlines and Destinations". Either all sould be retained or all deleted. Consistency principle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.1.76.213 (talk) 07:37, 24 December, 2007 (UTC)

There shouldn't be any charter flights there. NcSchu_(Talk) 15:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Then what are Arkefly, Novair, Thomsonfly etc doing there? :) PST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.1.76.97 (talk) 09:21, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Because someone added them obviously and I don't care about this page enough to remove them. NcSchu_(Talk) 15:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Airlines and Destinations

May i ask: Why the United Kingdom doesn´t belong to Europe??? -this is a new sight of geography...Yours sincerely--217.80.50.139 (talk) 14:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The British Airways route to Gatwick starting in November 2017 is not true. BA has no (current) intention of starting flights between Goa and London. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.9.243.143 (talk) 17:10, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Sea Harriers overshooting Runway

How can a Sea Harrier overshoot the runway? They land vertically. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:57, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

The Sea Harrier is a V/STOL aircraft. They can take off and land both vertically as well as the conventional way. Apparently the overshoots occurred during a non vertical landing. Trinidade (talk) 18:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

ICAO airport code

Can anyone please confirm the ICAO airport code for Dabolim? Most websites I have checked say VAGO but I cannot find a solid source to confirm.

--Peroxwhy2gen ^Talk 02:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The ICAO code mentioned in the article is the right one. All ICAO codes for airports in India begin with "VO". — Abhishek  ^Talk 13:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

According to this article India is divided into four centres by the ICAO: Bombay (VA), Calcutta (VE), Delhi (VI) and Madras (VO). This PDF from 2006 gives the code for Dabolim as "VAGO" and so does this website. This is the edit that changed VAGO to VOGO. As you can see it was done so by an unregistered editor without a summary or reference. Unless Goa has been moved from Bombay (VA) to Madras (VO), I see no reason for the code not to be VAGO. Couple more websites that say VAGO: [1] and [2]. Thank you, Peroxwhy2gen ^Talk 08:02, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

You're right, Peroxwhy2gen. India indeed has four zones. I cant find any online evidence that Goa Airport has been moved from VAGO to VOGO. I think its safe to revert back to VAGO going by what the ICAO website says. Trinidade 15:07, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I have now changed the ICAO code back to "VAGO". If anyone disagrees, please discuss here. Thank you, Peroxwhy2gen ^Talk 06:58, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

This Document dated 3/11/2011says that the code for GOI has been changed to VOGO.Trinidade (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Change back to "Dabolim Airport"

The page name should be Dabolim Airport as this is the most commonly used name.

Wikipedia:Article titles states: Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources.

Dabolim Airport is the most frequently used name by the people, the government and the media. Some may refer to it as "Goa Airport" either because they do not know the location (Dabolim) or because it is the only airport in Goa. I personally have never heard it being called "Goa International Airport".

Thank you,

Peroxwhy2gen ^Talk 15:32, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

We mostly use official names for airports. We tend to use the common name only if the official name is too long. So the current title is correct. — Abhishek  ^Talk 16:12, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

I still think Dabolim Airport or simply Goa Airport would suffice given that the AAI website is the only credible (is it really that credible?) source that calls it "international". The limited number of international flights and the substandard facilities at the airport (I regret having to say this) hardly qualify it to be an international airport at all. The sign on the front of the airport building says "Goa Airport" without the international part. Also the name "Goa International Airport" might be confusing to some given the proposed "international airport" at Mopa in North Goa. I really would like to hear other users' views on this matter.

Also as a side note could anyone please respond to the previous section titled ICAO airport code. Thank you, Peroxwhy2gen ^Talk 12:49, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

It would be better if you could take the discussion to WT:AIRPORT wherein you would have a larger number of editors to discuss with. — Abhishek  ^Talk 13:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

New Terminal has been strated

New Integrated terminal has been inaugurated on 20th feb 2014 . Please update the same . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.14.175.72 (talk) 07:17, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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