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Requested move 17 June 2020

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) IffyChat -- 22:41, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]



WP:COMMONNAME for both is "David Rodríguez", disambiguate to new standard for footballers. Ortizesp (talk) 13:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)Relisting. 2pou (talk) 17:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 12:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: This appears to be the RfC that is referenced above: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople)#RfC: Does WP:ENGVAR suffice for disambiguating footballers from soccer players?
However, the closing comment indicates the parenthetical disambiguators (footballer) and (soccer) should be supplemented by the subject's nationality, in this case David Rodríguez (Spanish footballer) and David Rodriguez (Mexican soccer player). There appears to be a local consensus agreed upon here (I would have moved had the RfC not been brought up), but is this going against accepted norms? Am I looking at the correct RfC? Courtesy pings @Ortizesp, GiantSnowman, and Bob not snob: -2pou (talk) 17:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That RFC did not cover cases like this where there are only 2 articles. GiantSnowman 17:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the RFC didn't cover those cases. But of the nine or so people involved in the RFC at least five (King of Hearts, Macosal DrKay, Granger, me) clearly stated their opinion that "soccer" and "footballer" weren't sufficient for disambiguation. Robby.is.on (talk) 18:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Even before the RFC, guideline WP:NCSP said to disambiguate with nationality when there was more than one footballer/soccer player. The RFC merely reaffirmed that nationality should still be added, even if one person was a "footballer" and the other a "soccer player"—Bagumba (talk) 07:15, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect, year of birth is always preferred to nationality given nationality is fluid. GiantSnowman 07:13, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's contrary to the existing NCSP guideline.—Bagumba (talk) 07:17, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think nationality is the best disambiguator here because one of them is a dual-citizen, in other cases like this it might work.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. My preferred approach is to disambiguate by nationality if there are relatively few footballers and all of them have unambiguous, distinct nationalities, and by year otherwise. -- King of ♥ 20:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bagumba, please actually read the NCSP guideline on this sport, which says to "use the most conclusive" of nationality, YOB, or position. Where does it say that nationality is preferred over YOB? I assure you from oh, I dunno, making 400,000 edits over the past 14 years in this field that nationality is not the preferred method of disambiguation. GiantSnowman 09:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You weren't a fan of nationality at the last RFC either, but your rationale was different there. The ordered criteria list at NCSP for football gives the impression of preference. However, I can respect others' concern that the player in the US could be unclear if they are a dual citizen.—Bagumba (talk) 13:40, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Year of birth is better than nationality for footballers because footballers often move between clubs in different countries and that can cause confusion.--Bob not snob (talk) 06:56, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]



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