Talk:Derbent

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Sources[edit]

Daniel, just out of curiousity, where'd the info and text for this come from?

Also, there's some more info that could be incorporated at the 1911 encyclopedia, here [1] Isomorphic 20:01, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I've taken out the last sentence[edit]

I've taken out the last sentence in the article because it was from this site about Azerbaijan. The last sentence does not need to be posted, because there are also trains to other places. I think it also mentions an Azeri population there, I'll see what I can do about that.

It was this sentence: There are trains to Baku and a consulate of Azerbaijan is expected to open in the near future.

I've removed the article for copyright violation - the whole article was taken from that site, not just a sentence. I've started a new version at Derbent/Temp, incorporating material from the 1911 Britannica. Isomorphic 20:07, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I emailed the people there. They said that we could copy the text but not the pictures. I have their permission. -Dagestan

OK, I've got the email:

Hi Daniel, Thank you for your message. You may use only the TEXT, not the images. Source should be mentioned as "Travel-images.com" Regards from Lisbon, Miguel Torres Curado http://travel-images.com (and Azerb.com)

(See? There's my permission!) -User:Dagestan


Alright, I guess it can go back up then. Does he understand what the GFDL means? Isomorphic 06:34, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Apparently he does. -User:Dagestan

Alrighty, I've put a note acknowledging the source. I'm also going to incorporate in some text from the temp version (which is from the 1911 Britannica.) Isomorphic 19:16, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguation[edit]

There is also a town in Turkey by this name, so could someone start a disabmig. page?

and in Turkmenistan

Shirvanshahs of Persia[edit]

Shirvanshahs of Azerbaijan were never considered a persians, which can be seen from respective wiki article. Propose to remove the words "of Persia" and possibly add "of Azerbaijan". Will edit if no objections. Shiftyscales (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I notice now a slight Persian bias in this article, eq. Safavids are called Persian dynasty, while at respective article it's Iranian. Will edit now Shiftyscales (talk) 22:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Azerbaijan itself was a part of Persia and more correctly Iran. So I think we should remove the word Azerbaijan and consider it as a province of Iran (Azari).

Sister cities?[edit]

Yakima, Washington lists Derbent as a sister city, but this article does not list Yakima as a sister city. According to this list, Ganja and Yakima are its sisters. La Crosse lists Dubna as a sister (and vice versa). I will change it in the article. I am writing this here in case anyone questions why.--Kpstewart (talk) 02:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Feedback[edit]

I like almost all of the edits. However, there are two points I want to point out.

The mentioning of the Persian name for the city in the lead is not appropriate. Its part of Russia, therefore the Russian name should be mentioned first, followed by the other major ethnic groups who inhabit the city. We do not mention the old Persian names in the lead in other former Persian based cities either (think if the cities in Iraq, the Levant, the Caucasus, Pakistan, etc). Furthermore, a whole etymology chapter exists, that already touches on the Persian origins of the name. Besides the romanized Persian name and Azeri names are practically the same. So really, without any offense, mentioning the Persian name in the lead is inappropriate and damages the quality of the article.

My second point is the final history chapter name. I suggest "Russian rule" or "Russian annexation" instead of the current "From Iranian to Russian rule". In history, at one point or another, every city has changed rulers/hands. We dont need to mention the transition of power in the chapter name. Elsewise we would need to change the other chapter names.

I took the liberty to implement these two changes. I used the chapter name "Russian annexation", because thats what the subchapter is really about, plus it differs from the other chapter names, so it adds quality. Mursel (talk) 10:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

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Modern History[edit]

The history section ends in the late 1800s, while surely significant events took place after that (Russian Civil War, post-1991 unrest in the Caucasus, among other things). I might try to add a section if I have time (and sources). Auvon (talk) 23:33, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

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