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Requested move 10 March 2020

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to Don Quixote (Kennedy Center sculpture) as an alternative title. Users raised concerns with the proposed title on the grounds that the work is not the only statue of Don Quixote in Washington, D.C., and lacks qualities of a "portrait" sculpture. Discussion seems to have reached a natural end. (non-admin closure) Sangdeboeuf (talk) 20:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]



Don Quixote (Teno)Statue of Don Quixote (Washington, D.C.)WP:VAMOS has been updated and now says: "For portrait sculptures of individuals in public places the forms "Statue of Fred Foo" "Equestrian statue of Fred Foo" or "Bust of Fred Foo" is recommended, unless a form such as "Fred Foo Memorial" or "Monument to Fred Foo" is the WP:COMMONNAME. If further disambiguation is needed, because there is more than one sculpture of the same person with an article, then disambiguation by location rather than the sculptor is usually better." --Another Believer (Talk) 13:21, 10 March 2020 (UTC) Relisting. Sangdeboeuf (talk) 19:12, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for several reasons. The true name of the statue is Don Quixote, so as a named work of art the title should remain. Per common name. As a gift from Spain to the United States for the 1976 bicentennial it has historical international connotations. The subject is fictional, not a portrait statue. It is an action statue not a portrait statue, and in portraying the dramatic charge of a horse and rider emerging from stone the sculptor presents a creative nonliteral equestrian representation. As I mentioned during the discussion about these titles, my concern was that exceptional works of visual art such as this one would be changed from real names to bland descriptors, and that if the line is moved so far now then at some point, even years in the future, editors will extend this renaming style to paintings. Renaming a story-telling action statue such as this, although in good faith, seems to extend that envelope. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:52, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello Necrothesp, wondering if you read my above comment as you ivoted on the RM's. This is not a portrait sculpture, or even a sculpture of an individual. It is an named artistic action sculpture of a fictional character. Would you please give further comment on your reasoning here, and possibly read the page, nom, and comments and study this one further. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:50, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • That may be, but the point is that "Don Quixote (Teno)" is meaningless to the average reader and "Statue of Don Quixote (Washington, D.C.)" is blatantly obvious. The latter is therefore clearly the best title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:50, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then you are actually not supporting it per the nom, which is solely about a portrait sculpture. Which this one isn't. It's a statue, an artwork, which has a real name. Works of art on Wikipedia regularly use the artist's name as a disamb., not a confusing or out-of-the-ordinary concept for Wikipedia readers searching a topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • For what it is worth, the Teno sculpture of Don Quixote in Buenos Aires is similar but different (the subject is wielding a sword, not a lance, for example: I can't seem to link directly, but see the "Quijotes" under "Esculturas" at http://aurelioteno.es/ ).

    In Spanish, they appear to be called "Homenaje al Quijote" (Tribute to Don Quixote) or "Monumento al Quijote" (Don Quixote Monument). But we'd probably still need the parenthetical "(Kennedy Center)" because there are lots of sculptures of Don Quixote around, including at least one more in DC, so "Tribute" and "Monument" don't help much.

    Given the figures bursting from the rock, I'm not convinced this is figurative enough to be a statue, but it is certainly a sculpture. So that suggests something like Don Quixote (Kennedy Center sculpture) could work, if that won't breach too many of our self-imposed guidelines. Theramin (talk) 00:12, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.