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Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no consensus to move. Dekimasu's proposal should be considered, but separately. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 16:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edremit (District), Balıkesir → Edremit — Relisted. @harej 00:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There were other examples of using a meaninglessly equivocal and complicated title like this one -"Town name (District), Province name"- for several Turkish town/district names and by now these are modified into the pattern -"Town name, Province name"-; see history for Konak, İzmir, Urla, İzmir or Menemen. Proposing to fit Edremit (Edremit, Balıkesir, by far the most significant city under the name) into the same formula. For purposes of distinguishing between localities of the same name, a simple disiambiguation page should suffice. I will put a move request for converting Edremit (District), Van, a much smaller settlement of the same name, into Edremit, Van once this move is accepted and completed. Cretanforever (talk) 09:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Plain Edremit is a disambig page. There seem to be in Turkey two districts called Edremit, one in Balıkesir province and one in Van province. And a town called Edremit. That forces a need for a more then usually complicated disambig appendage to the article name. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Moving Edremit to Edremit (disambiguation) and Edremit (District), Balıkesir to Edremit would need proof that Edremit (District), Balıkesir is a dominant meaning of Edremit. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:50, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You have 63600 results in English language for a Google search for "Edremit" (cumulatively for the ones in Balıkesir and Van provinces), and since most sources which cite Edremit refer to the one in Balıkesir Province (a coastal district and a tourist's attraction), you have 44900 results for Edremit (minus Van) search. Cretanforever (talk) 14:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's only 2:1. I suggest removing "(District)" from each title and leaving the dab as it is; I'd oppose this as currently constituted. Dekimasuよ! 04:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Edremit

Hello Deciméku! I remember we had had discussions of a sort over Alâeddin Keykubad previously. I noticed only now your comment on Edremit, currently-titled under Edremit (District), Balıkesir. I was under the impression that my arguments were clear enough and the move request process had gone unopposed and I had corresponded not with you but with User: Anthony Appleyard over this.

I am not unaccustomed to overzealous pedantism where Turkey-related subjects are concerned and I was thinking that, once again, we were waiting for the consent of the Greek consulate in Miami, although they must be busy nowadays with radical Islam there to stay - joking :). But I see that it's a matter of proportions. 2:1 as you remarked. Judging on Edremit, (Personal attack removed), but in wiki environment I will content myself by remarking that this is not the right attitude for help develop the article, something in which I am well qualified to do, knowing the town reasonably well, as I did for many other Turkish cities and towns. If it's 2:1 for Edremit, how much is it for Osaka? 7:7 ? Cretanforever (talk) 20:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2

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The result of the proposal was rejected Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Edremit (District), Balıkesir → Edremit —

For several Turkish town/district names, there were other examples of using a meaninglessly equivocal and complicated title like this one -"Town name (District), Province name", all of them ideographs by a single odd user- by now almost all of these are modified into the pattern -"Town name, Province name"-; see history for Konak, İzmir, Urla, İzmir or Menemen. Proposing to fit Edremit (Edremit, Balıkesir, by far the most significant city under the name) into the same formula. For purposes of distinguishing between localities of the same name, a simple disiambiguation page should suffice. I will put a move request for converting Edremit (District), Van, a much smaller settlement of the same name, into Edremit, Van once this move is accepted and completed. You have 63600 results in English language for a Google search for "Edremit" (cumulatively for the ones in Balıkesir and Van provinces), and since most sources which cite Edremit refer to the one in Balıkesir Province (a coastal district and a tourist's attraction), you have 44900 results for Edremit (minus Van) search. Therefore Edremit (District), Balıkesir is a dominant meaning of Edremit by 2:1 Cretanforever (talk) 16:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If we were talking about just two uses, I could go with Edremit having a hatnote referring to Edremit, Van. However, there is a disambiguation page at Edremit, listing four uses, which would need to be moved to accommodate your proposal. Why bother? Why not just move Edremit (District), Balıkesir to Edremit, Balıkesir. I am not convinced that 45,000 hits to 20,000 particularly establishes primacy, which should be overwhelming to justify the move. Skinsmoke (talk) 22:16, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I am not sure that this is exactly wikipedian and I don't usually quote Bible dictionaries Skinsmoke, but the link and the info below is what I could lay my hands on at once; there are many layman's sources as well, some with more anteriority than the "brother of Croesus" reference below. It's just an indication that Edremit on the western Anatolian coast, aside from being the most populous and referred to, is also by far the most historically significant. I don't know how other Edremits got their name, but one could not go very far with a ship from Edremit, Van. Cretanforever (talk) 09:55, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.babylon.com/definition/Adramyttium/English

Smith's Bible Dictionary: "named form Adramys, brother of Croesus king of Lydia, a seaport in the province of Asia"

Easton's Bible Dictonary: "a city of Asia Minor on the coast of Mysia, (...). The ship in which Paul embarked at Caesarea belonged to this city (Acts 27:2). He was conveyed in it only to Myra, in Lycia, whence he sailed in an Alexandrian ship to Italy. It was a rare thing for a ship to sail from any port of Palestine direct for Italy. It still bears the name Adramyti, and is a place of some traffic.

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