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This threat was realised when on January 6, 1661, 50 Fifth Monarchists, headed by a wine-cooper named Thomas Venner
Cavalier Parliament page:
In December 1661, parliament was challenged by the Fifth Monarchy men under the command of Vavasor Powell and Thomas Venner, who led a succession of revolts. These rebellions were initiated as an anticipation of the arrival of Jesus to claim the throne.
Having contributed to this article with many others, I do not understand the instructions posted above. If something is wrong, then fix the error rather than post vague, unsigned and lengthy comments. MPLX/MH 15:58, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
"Everything in common but the language". The date in one or the other article is wrong and need fixing. (I have altered the problem text above so that it is in bold). If you have a reliable source then please fix the wrong page. Philip Baird Shearer 09:18, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have found two sources which explain the dates:
On the George Fox page there is a sentence on his imprisonment in London in 1661 because of a "Fifth Monarchy Men" insurrection (In both revolts Quakers were locked up as some of the the authorities do not seem to have noticed a difference in the descenting sects). the Fox page backs up the incarceratation with this sourcethis source
Thomas Venner lead a revolt in 1660 and was HDQ for it as Pypes records:
I was surprised with the news of a plot against the King’s person and my Lord Monk’s; and that since last night there are about forty taken up on suspicion; and, amongst others, it was my lot to meet with Simon Beale, the Trumpeter, who took me and Tom Doling into the Guard in Scotland Yard, and showed us Major-General Overton, where I heard him deny that he is guilty of any such things; but that whereas it is said that he is found to have brought many arms to town, he says it is only to sell them, as he will prove by oath.
Robert Overton was a fifth monarchist who had been locked up by Cromwell in 1656 for plotting insurrection with his regiment which was in Hull at the time. He should not to be confused with Richard Overton the Leveller. So it is possible that this incident is linked to Venner if so it is unlikely that the January revolt came as a total surprise to the authorities. Philip Baird Shearer 09:45, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Move Fifth Monarchy Men to Fifth Monarchists