Talk:Friedrich Engels

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Friedrich Engels. Please take a moment to review my edit. You may add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it, if I keep adding bad data, but formatting bugs should be reported instead. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether, but should be used as a last resort. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

N An editor has determined that the edit contains an error somewhere. Please follow the instructions below and mark the |checked= to true

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

If you are unable to use these tools, you may set |needhelp=<your help request> on this template to request help from an experienced user. Please include details about your problem, to help other editors.

Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 15:27, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Image date[edit]

The photo of Engels which is dated 1840, is this correct? The file page of the photo seems to contradict this, and I don't know much about photography at the time but 1840 seems awfully early for a photographic portrait. Lizard (talk) 18:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that looks quite doubtful. Is it possible that, for whatever reason, it has been given a misleading name? The source given is here, the website of David Nessle and the text around it (in Swedish) gives no clue as to it's date. The explanation in the image file description, seems to suggest there may be two possible mentions in correspondence for a photograph which may be this one. And that the dates would be 1857 or 1859. The front of a book, the year 1929 and Moscow are also mentioned, but I can't quite make out what is meant. The image also appears on the cover of this book by W. O. Henderson, first published in 1976, and I suspect it's also used on the frontispiece as the list of Illustrations lists it as "Friedrich Engels at the age of 25, 1845, by courtesy of the Radio Times Hulton Picture Library". The uploader User:DieBuche seems to be still active, so maybe he will see this and come over to explain a bit more. To me Engels looks more like age 37 or 39, than 20, in this photo. And yes 1840 is an early date for photography in general. In the meantime I'll boldly adjust the caption to what I think may be closer to the possible likely provenance. To add further confusion, the referece given in the caption here s to this book by Tristram Hunt, but I don't know if the image appears in the book or what the caption is there. The online sample text has no pictures. If that book gives a real date, then maybe User:DieBuche may have to amend his file description. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
To chip in, I was admin at commons and prbably only transfered or zploaded it, I cannot provide any info on the date. Would be intersting to see if that book refers to the same photo. --DieBuche (talk) 08:54, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Sorry to drag you over here. Thanks for clarifying, DieBuche. I'll leave the caption as is for now. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
This source seems quite clear? The date was 1845. But it has "Copyright: © Lordprice Collection / Alamy Stock Photo", alas. There's also a remarkably similar one used by BBC here but which has "Getty Images" on it. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:33, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
So the copyright situation is unclear - is it Hulton Picture Library? is it Lordprice Collection? is it Getty Images? Is suspect the latter, as Hulton Press Library was was bought by Getty Images for £8.6 million in 1996. So before the image gets deleted, I'll update the caption to 1845. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the comment above, "the referece given in the caption here s to this book by Tristram Hunt, but I don't know if the image appears in the book or what the caption is there"—this was already explained in my talk page comment of 27 March 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Friedrich_Engels&diff=653696132&oldid=651340474), that Hunt 2009 dates the photo as 1840. Too bad someone set up a robot to archive comments too quickly. But this is Wikipedia, where it's better to prematurely hide and lose information and have Chinese whispers than just allow talk threads to stand. And yet a comment from 2005 still stands at the top of this page as I write this? Karmanatory (talk) 03:56, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
And by the way, any claim by any present-day organization like Getty Images that they own a copyright on this photograph has got to be pure bullshit. I challenge anyone to even irrefutably identify the name of the person who took the photo, let alone identify the chain of generations of people who may have bought or inherited that copyright in the circa 180 years since then. Is any copyright from circa 180 years ago even legally enforceable at all anymore? I doubt it. Prove me wrong. Notwithstanding that such outdated property, if still legally protected after 180 years, would be theft of historical heritage of the commons by this point anyway. So regarding "is it Hulton Picture Library? is it Lordprice Collection? is it Getty Images?"—it's Chinese whispers, is what it is. Karmanatory (talk) 04:12, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

German?[edit]

Encyclopedia Britannica titles him "Friedrich Engels GERMAN PHILOSOPHER". I think many other encyclopedias do likewise. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Friedrich Engels. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

You may set the |checked=, on this template, to true or failed to let other editors know you reviewed the change. If you find any errors, please use the tools below to fix them or call an editor by setting |needhelp= to your help request.

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

If you are unable to use these tools, you may set |needhelp=<your help request> on this template to request help from an experienced user. Please include details about your problem, to help other editors.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 18:14, 5 January 2017 (UTC)