Talk:Game Shakers

Sky Whale

Sky Whale is one episode and is sold as such on Amazon and iTunes. Notice the run times of 45 minutes and 44:33 minutes, respectively. Amaury (talk) 03:17, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Futon Critic as reference

We are using Futon Critic as the column reference for production codes. Futon Critic is generally correct and shows the final codes used for combined episodes which may differ from in-process codes. The only superior reference to Futon Critic is the Copyright office which is the official filing. Until we get the info from the Copyright Office, Futon is the best we have. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I know we Have had this talk before, but if you look at past shows for hour episodes Henry Danger, iCarly, Sam and Cat, Big Time Rush, Victorious all give you the same type of code, witch then prove to be wrong. II don't know if you know I follow the production for this show and Henry Danger, to the tee. So I do know what's going on. Also I knew that the production code had issues before I saw futon because of another issue I will bring up in a bit. The links is what the best I can give and also I am one of the Admins on the Game Shakers and Henry Danger wiki. But if you looked at the source you could tell it was an official document. Who else would have that besides someone on the crew or cast. Also the names match up and with the show credits for that episode. Now on the other issue I am going to have to soon change the number of produced episodes, but waiting until I can find more information. As of now Game Shakers by the looks of things only produced 25 out of the 26 episodes that were ordered for the season with Revenge at Tech fest being the last one produced. Also the same goes for Henry Danger season 2 19 out of the 20 were produced. I hope we don't get into any arguments about that. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 16:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

If what you say about Game Shakers only having 25 episodes is true, then Revenge at Tech Fest can't be the last episode as that's episode 19, unless you're going by production codes. However, we only care about the final product. In the case of Henry Danger's first episode, neither production code listed is incorrect. Sometimes special episodes, like Revenge at Tech Fest, have a unique production code, but also a normal code like 1-01 at the same time.

In any case, we must use only reliable sources to back information up. Zap2it and The Futon Critic are two examples of reliable sources, even if there are sometimes mistakes, though The Futon Critic is quick to correct those. Websites like Wikia and Instagram are not reliable sources, as GP already stated. Amaury (talk) 16:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes I am going by production case. By what you guys like going by would be 23 episodes counting Sky whale and revenge at Tech fest as one episode. It is possible that the episode could be carried over to the next season though. Also Wikipedia isn't reliable either. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 16:46, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

http://www.danschneider.com/shows/game-shakers/episode-guide and http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/game-shakers/listings/ don't match at all for pretty much any episode including Schneider's site giving 101 for "Sky Whale" and I presume Schneider as show runner (is he show runner? here) should know what's up but I assume he is just showing airing sequence on his site, not production sequence. We are using Schneider's info for Henry Danger but it mostly matches Futon there except for 101/102 vs 999-60 on the first ep and the special showing of "One Henry, Three Girls" as a combined ep with the combined ep code of 997 on Futon for that special showing on October 3, 2015 but not shown at all on Schneider's site. We don't strive to be congruent with Wikia on Wikipedia as the site goals are different and have different standards for sourcing info. Social media can generally only be used for info about the person themselves and then only if the account is verified. Schneider as show runner is an authority on his shows in general, but I find the mismatch between his info on this show and the official info released by the network to Futon troubling. I suspect the network codes being released are similar to production codes but not always. Unfortunately we don't have embedded production codes in the credits like most of the major network shows have so we need to pick a standard of what we do document for a given show article. Schneider's site was chosen for Henry Danger, so far this article has chosen Futon Critic. We shouldn't be using social media sites for this sort of info. An yes Wikipedia is not a reliable source in of itself by Wikipedia's own standards, same as all wikis, but our references that supports the info are expected to be to reliable sources. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

26 episodes to 25 shoot

Until the season wraps or the rest of the season is merged with season 2, still really don't know what going on yet, but will leave production info the same. However it seems like only 25 episode were produced regardless of what happens with the rest of the season 1 episodes. Just letting everyone know this will have to be reworded somehow for the production section. I have looked up many of the dates and 125 and 126 was maybe moved to season 2 and was the last one recorded. Will see what happens as we move forward with upcoming episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WP Editor 2012 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Once we have information on the premiere of the second season from a reliable source, we can simply change it to say the first season consisted of 19 episodes. However, at the same time, it's also certainly possible that new episodes are just on hiatus and there are still a few more. For now, we can leave it at 26 episodes. Amaury (talk) 20:32, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Depending how futon and zapit puts it but now it does look like the rest of Season 1 will be merged with season 2 airing episodes. not sure, but this is what we have from Sheldon. In the comment section of the posts he says August, you will have to scroll a bit. I know its not confirmed but its him. https://www.instagram.com/p/BHQV-AIB5kx/WP Editor 2012 (talk) 16:39, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Game section removed

I've removed the Games section due to it being completely unsourced. I can confirm that most of those games are on the Nickelodeon site, but there are no sources confirming the statement presented or the release dates. Additionally, game listings don't really belong on show articles, anyway.

If a source can be found, we can include the statement, but there's still no need to list the games. Amaury (talk) 20:28, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Need still game section I still need look at it Deenove (talk) 20:34, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm wikpea eidtor Deenove (talk) 20:32, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@Amaury: I think the games the show has spawned is somewhat of relevant interest. (I think the show has been somewhat marketed as "multiplatform", yes?...) However, it may be more appropriate to note which episodes spawned games by the addition of Notes to the episodes list... What do you think? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:17, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall: I'd be fine with that. Most of the games have the same titles as some of the episodes, but not all of them, so that still makes things just a little difficult. Amaury (talk) 21:22, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@Amaury: The 'notes' could be something very simple along the lines of: "Note: This episode introduced [Game x]." I dunno if that need to be sourced, but if it does it could be sourced with a link to the online game. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:25, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall: That sounds very reasonable to me. Although I would still vote against including release dates as there's no way to source the release dates in general. We can't say for sure that a game was released the same date the episode it originated from was aired; plus, there are also different themes for some games, like Halloween for Sky Whale, and the release dates for theme changes would be extremely hard to source, if not impossible. I'm not saying you're suggesting this, just thinking out loud. Amaury (talk) 21:42, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, release dates can stay out (unless the game webpages actually report that info, which I doubt). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:28, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Who change this the game area.

I'm editor Deenove (talk) 23:48, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@Deenove: Please read WP:OWN, articles are not owned by editors. It was removed because it was completely unsourced, but the information might be (at least partially) re-added soon, see the discussion right above your comment. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:57, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Revisiting

@Amaury: I'm thinking of restoring the list of games from the show, as it would obviously belong in an 'Other media' section in this article, as per MOS:TV. But I need the list of all the games spawned from Game Shakers. The Nick website seemed to be no help (I find the Nick website to be generally useless, actually!)... So do you know where I can find the list of all the games spawned from Game Shakers all on one place? TIA. Pinging Nyuszika7H in case he knows anything about this either. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:13, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Yeah, the Nickelodeon site doesn't seem to be too useful with regard to this. Maybe Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968 could help. I know Michael watches some Nickelodeon, though I don't know how much. Although couldn't we just go through the history and re-add the games that way? Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:40, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

I'd prefer to have some kind of source we can use to verify the list of games – if it ends up needing to be unsourced, it's not worth doing IMO... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:05, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know, sorry, I haven't even started watching the show yet, and I'm not usually big on merch, and I doubt it would be available here anyway since it's not such an internationally popular show. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:48, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I think I found it: http://www.nick.com/game-shakers/games/ (I love how this seemed to be impossible to find within the Nick website! I actually had to use Google to find it.) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:25, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Wow, five years? Making note that the above website no longer lists the games (it returns page not found, and it's probably been that way for quite a while ... with the series having ended about three years ago). Might need to look for better secondary sources, as the first source listed in the Video games section also lacks most of the games listed in that section. MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:48, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: There are available archive links – e.g. [1]. I don't know if a comprehensive list can be gathered this way, but it's better than nothing. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Season Finale

It looks like Game Shakers had its Season finale in May according to the official Nickelodeon twitter https://twitter.com/NickelodeonTV/status/734157964748173314. My guess is that the rest of the Season one episodes will be called Season 2 and merged with the Season 2 order. Nick has done this in the past with other shows like iCarly. Will see what happens. Just wanted to let everyone know. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 21:56, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

What rest of the season one episodes? All the season one episodes have aired. And no, iCarly didn't do this, either. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

I believe what WPE2012 is referring to is this ref which implied that GS was ordered for 26 episodes in season #1. The issue here is that I don't consider Business Wire to a particularly great source for something like this. It's possible that Nick originally intended to order 26 episodes, but then quietly trimmed the order to a more standard 20 (production) episodes. It's also possible that WPE2012 is correct, and 6 episodes will be "held over" and broadcast with season #2. The issue is that without additional reliable sourcing on the question, this is all speculation. For the purposes of Wikipedia, I think we can report that the original intention was to order 26 episodes, as per Business Wire. But I don't think we can say anything beyond this, as it's just speculation without sourcing to back it up. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:33, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall: Hm. Good point. Although there were two one-hour specials, so even with a 26-episode order, that would make it 24 finalized episodes since that's all we care about. But, of course, plans change as we saw with Henry Danger, where the second season was initially ordered to be 20 episodes, but ended up being 19, though 18 finalized due to Danger & Thunder being one episode. If the first and last episodes of the first season of Game Shakers were actually separate, then with what we have right now, it would make it 21 finalized episodes. You're right that it's certainly possible that some episodes were held over, such as was the case with Girl Meets Demolition and Girl Meets Fish from Girl Meets World, the former having a season two production code, but airing as a special outside of seasons one and two, and the latter having an unknown production code, though likely from season one, and airing as part of season two, but I don't think that's likely here with Game Shakers because I just can't see them holding over that many episodes. At least since I've started keeping track of things and working on TV articles, I've never seen a case of Nickelodeon holding over episodes from, say, season one and airing them as part of season two or, vice-versa, airing a season two episode as part of season one. I'll even say this for Disney Channel and Disney XD as it's a very rare occurrence for them to do that. Aside from Girl Meets World, the only other instances that I know of are a season three episode of Liv and Maddie airing in season two—I think SPARF-a-Rooney—and a season two episode of Kirby Buckets airing as the season one finale. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

With Nick's twitter its saying that the finale is Revenge @ tech fest. Icarly did something similar. Season 2 had 45 episodes for the production and Nick split it into 2 seasons for airing the episodes. Same with production Season 5 what you guys have here/ Game Shakers did indeed produce 25 out of the 26 episodes, but now it looks like Nick is going to be calling the rest of Season 1 episode Season 2 along with the Season 2 episodes. The rest of the Season one episodes are The Very Old Figure(120), Buck the Magic Rat(123, Byte Club (122), and Secret Level(123). Witch I was able to get from a source that I promised not to say where they got the episodes, but its all 100% related to Nickelodeon. Anyway Those episodes will be with Season 2 if what Nick's twitter is saying is true. Will see in the coming months. Just wanted to let you know whats possibly going on. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 20:38, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Without any sources to back up your claims, your statements mean nothing. You keep mentioning all these so-called sources and how your information is always right, yet you never bother to provide proof of claims, whether asked or not. And if wherever you're getting it from doesn't want to be linked to, which is odd in itself, then you shouldn't be spouting information in the first place.

iCarly, despite what was shown, only had five seasons, not seven. The production codes only go as high as the number five, so that clearly means there were only five seasons. Just because a network splits, for example, the first and currently only season of a show which has 40 episodes into two sections of 20 episodes each does not automatically mean that show has two seasons. While I don't get the point of splitting seasons to begin with, frankly, it would be more accurate to have stuff like Season 1A and Season 1B, similar to what Degrassi did when it was still on TeenNick with its spring, summer, fall, and winter blocks of one season when their seasons were around 40 episodes. It's one thing to air a few season one episodes as part of season two or vice-versa, but actually splitting a season into two parts and calling it a new season is totally inaccurate. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:49, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Futon updated with new episodes and Season 2 is listed first then a season 1 episodes. Looks like Season 2 will be merged with the rest of season 1WP Editor 2012 (talk) 13:53, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations. Do you want a trophy? Although it's still too soon to tell as commercials for the second season premiere have yet to begin airing. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

MOS:JR

My routine comma-removal fix per MOS:JR was reverted "per credits". I've never heard of such an exception to WP's styling. The actor's bio at Benjamin Flores Jr. doesn't need the comma, so why here? Dicklyon (talk) 00:01, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

MOS:TV is clear that we go by "names per credits". That takes precedence over any sort of minor "MOS" grammar consistency-type argument. The fact is, a fair amount of American crediting will use the comma – we should follow the crediting over a minor MOS like MOS:JR in these cases. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:15, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

You mean where it says "All names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source."? Lots of reliable sources style the name without a comma. Dicklyon (talk) 00:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

And where can I find these credits you refer to? I find many ways to refer to this guy, the one we use now being quite rare. Here I found one without the comma but with the quote 'Lil P-Nut' in the middle. Dicklyon (talk) 00:37, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Since this an MOS issue, I've asked at WT:MOS#MOS:TV vs MOS:JR?. Dicklyon (talk) 00:45, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Except there is no issue here. The only authorative source are the show's credits themselves. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:52, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

The credits are embedded in the episodes themselves which are the authoritative source for what the credits say. For a work of fiction the actual work itself is a valid primary reliable source for what is in it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:14, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

No dispute there; if you say there's a comma on-screen I believe you. But I see no guideline suggesting that we copy the styling from on-screen credits. Dicklyon (talk) 04:48, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

What is onscreen in the credits is how the actor wants his name represented, if the comma is there it is how the actor wants it, we are just honoring that, it is not a styling issue like font choice or all caps in some credits or capitalization of composition titles. Removing it would be a bit like photoshopping a signature image to remove something put in by the signer so that a signature displayed in a bio infobox conforms to our MOS. Think of it like how we would handle the same text embedded in a direct quote. The credit info we put in articles is basically an unmodified quoting of the credit info in the show. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:10, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I think that's nonsense. I bet Lil P-Nut had nothing so say about where to put commas, quote marks, and nicknames in the credits. Dicklyon (talk) 05:15, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

And I bet he did. Credits are a pretty big deal to actors. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:23, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Wrong. Not nonsense. Actors have a say in how they're credited. Lyle Lettau from the Degrassi series was originally credited as Lyle O'Donohoe when he became part of the show in season eleven. In honor of his grandmother, from season 13 onward, he was credited as Lyle Lettau. The producers respected his wishes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:31, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

'Plot' section

I would agree that the current 'Plot' section seems to be padded with redundancies. I think this edit is probably an improvement overall. I am going to go ahead and make a change similar to this shortly... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:41, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

'Notable guest stars' section?

Is it justified to add a 'Notable guest stars' section to this article? I can see at least two candidates: Snoop Dogg, and Jace Norman as Henry. Is there anyone else?... Maybe Alexandre Chen as Booby Dong? (Or should he be under 'Recurring'?) Or Matt Cornett as Blake?

I really can't think of anyone else who would come close to qualifying. Maybe Shelby Simmons as Shanelle (in retrospect). Thoughts?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:33, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Judging notability seems to be an exercise in WP:OR. I'd be ok if they got a Special Guest Star credit or something else distinguishing or they were actually noted in some reliable source that gave more than a passing mention of the episode. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

The alternative is to list all guest cast, or none. Something in between these extremes is preferable in some cases (while in others "none" is the right outcome). One way to provide some justification for 'Notable' is to list only those who have their own Wikipedia articles – by that metric, we're back to listing just Snoop Dogg and Jace Norman (as Simmons doesn't have an article yet)... Aside from that, I do think that Alexandre Chen as Booby Dong should be added to the 'Recurring' section – Bobby Dong was clearly a notable recurring character, driving significant plot action in at least three episodes. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:15, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd say none if there isn't some fairly objective inclusion criteria. Recurring if they are in some minimum number of episodes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:20, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Spelling of Mason's last name

I've been seeing it spelled with two Ls ("Kendall") in the article and LoE, but I've been noting its being spelled with just one ("Kendal") on content from Nickelodeon, like [2] and [3]. The spelling should reflect what is in that content, or in any other reliable sources. Not sure yet about reliable sources having the two Ls spelling. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:08, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Here's the key question – Is the last name given in the Game Shaker end credits? (Does Game Shakers even include character names in the guest cast credits at the end?! I know some Nick shows don't include character names in the credits...) That's the definitive answer – If it's "Mason Kendal" in the end credits, then that is what we should list. If it's just "Mason", we should omit the last name from the "cast list" (though we could mention in in the character summary...). If there's no character name in the end credits... Well, then, virtually every character name included in this article would have to be sourced to something!! (and you seems to have one or two that could be used for Mason). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I can confirm Game Shakers did have names in the credits with the generic credits Nickelodeon used, as I'm the one who added all the guest stars. Amaury • 17:59, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Looks like someone needs to check the end-credits for every "Mason" episode and see how he was credited, then. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I recall at least six episodes. From watching via Paramount+, glancing at the end credits briefly (which also features gameplay of one of the games per episode while the credits are rolling), I couldn't see character names, including that for Mason (Tanner Buchanan), but I'll double-check, maybe even pausing to make sure. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:26, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Confirmed on two episodes ("Armed & Coded" and "The Mason Experience", both in season two) that I didn't see any character names. While I was looking at the end credits for just those two episodes, this appears very likely the way the guest starring credits show (without the character names) on all the episodes from how I'm viewing them. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:38, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Most of the time, for Nickelodeon series, series' actual end credits don't contain the names, sans a few cases, like NRDD. I don't know if it's currently airing, but if it is, record of an episode of Game Shakers on TeenNick, and you'll see the generic credits Nickelodeon uses to save time for commercials (instead of using the actual credits, they just have credits rolling during the final scene of an episode). You will see character names there. Amaury • 18:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Game Shakers hasn't aired on TeenNick in quite some time, unfortunately... (And Knight Squad never went to TeenNick!) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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Main image

The best main image for the show should be the official logo without any background. Is there anyone who agrees or disagrees with this statement. I, for one, believe the page would look much better with my proposal. All of Dan Schneider's other shows have the same style and this what most TV shows Wikipedia pages should look like with a main image available. BradfordNewton (talk) 18:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I disagree. I think that the actual "title card" of the show provides more context and information than the blank logo. Toughpigs (talk) 18:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)