Talk:Grinding (dance)

Title

Is there a difference between bump and grind dancing, dirty dancing, grinding, grind dancing, booty dancing, and freak dancing? If not, we need to choose an appropriate title for this article. Housing returns zero google hits, even if it is the correct title. Freak dancing appears to return the most relevant hits, but that term may be used more by the media than by the people who grind. Your thoughts? --Viriditas | Talk 02:16, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary

1. Grinding: 15
2. Freaking: 12
3. Freak dancing: 4
4. Dirty dancing: 1
5. Bump and grind: 1
6. Grind dancing: 0
7. Booty dancing: 0
8. Houseing: 0

houseing has a result now, i just checked --insertwackynamehere 22:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, and its probably this talk page...--Vox Causa 23:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Google test

1. Freak dancing: 7,140
2. There are no results for houseing in the context of house music or dance, other than the two wikipedia entries (this article and house music) you created that have been mirrored. --Viriditas | Talk 1 July 2005 10:33 (UTC)

hmm at my high school its called grinding but i've heard bump and grind and grind dancing too. I go to an urban public HS in philly if geography means anything :P heh a lot of schools outlaw that kinda stuff, but at our dances grinding and dirty south hip-hop are what they play to balance out slowdancing; its like just a casual fun meaningless dance (some may say thats ironic). --insertwackynamehere 22:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Same. No one really cares anyway, because that's just how it is with teenagers. I was thinking that I should expand this a little today, and I'll get to it. There's no mention of when the guy's up against the wall, and the girl's grinding on him, or when her hands are pressed against the wall like doggy style, and others of that nature. I NPOV'd the section about the tempo ranges a little while ago, and have kept this on the Watchlist ever since. I've always heard it as grinding too. -Mysekurity^{(have you seen this?)} 03:45, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...what happened to the picture of the couple grinding? I'll just have to see about replacing that. -Mysekurity^{(have you seen this?)} 03:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

We call it "twerking" in the Twin Cities. I don't know if anyone else does. My school just banned it and its destroyed the moral of our entire student body.

Caesar 19:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I've only ever heard "freaking" in NV.

its ginding in milwaukee. ts the norm. teachers attempt to break it up, but we get right back to it. nobody seems to care about it, its just there. lots of gring chains.... called grind trains around where im from though. ML3394

Reply from Beezly

i'm not sure where to respond to your comment. i edited the houseing page to clarify that it's a slang term, and hence it is different from grinding in terms of terminology. houseing is in use mostly in urban areas in the US, chicago for example. i don't think the page should be moved. -Beezly 28 June 2005 17:25 (UTC)

Please review Wikipedia:No original research. As it stands, the concept of houseing in those terms alone, and your addition to house music, amounts to original research. Houseing is an unknown synonym for concepts that have greater notability, some of which are mentioned above. TTBOMK, there are no primary or secondary sources for houseing. We know, however, that the same definition is used for more common words like grinding, which has been defined on Wikipedia since July 21, 2003 [1]. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names) comes in handy here: When choosing a name for a page ask yourself: What word would the average user of the Wikipedia put into the search engine? The Wikipedia is not a place to advocate a title change in order to reflect recent scholarship. The articles themselves reflect recent scholarship but the titles should represent common usage. According to Wikipedia:Redirect, synonyms like houseing should be made redirects, and since the page doesn't follow naming conventions, the page should be moved to the most common name, which will automatically create a redirect (see Help:Renaming (moving) a page). Arguments against moving the page to the most common name should reference primary and secondary sources about houseing. --Viriditas | Talk 1 July 2005 10:55 (UTC)

Although "Houseing" or "Housing" does not turn up any google hits (besides this article) in reference to a style of dance, the term is heard frequently within the Chicago area hip-hop/house music niche (personal field correspondance and observation). However my correspondance with NYC and other urban area affiliates on either coasts suggest that the term experiences limited use outside of Chicago. Since the information on the page itself seems to describe the general urban sexual dance accompanied with hip-hop, house, and similar style electronic music, the title should be renamed or redirected to the most common word associated with this dance style. Barring that, the article should clarify that the term is affiliated with the Chicago area and be more specific, adding details which would make it distinct from other synonyms such as grinding, freak dancing, etc. -130.126.49.62 5 August 2005

External links

The article still needs a good external links section. --Viriditas | Talk 06:43, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Link #1 is broken —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.2.12.29 (talk) 11:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

music

I added a small subsection to the music section that lists 4 popular songs which are generally played and grinded to. These songs are what I would consider well known to anyone who is aware of current music (they are mainstream) and may help people get a better idea of what the music is like than just a technical description (since they may have heard them before on the radio or somewhere). --insertwackynamehere 23:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

The Cycle

Perrear isn't anything different from anything else the older generation hasn't agreed with. The parents of the generation that came before me hated the dances their children did. My parents hate the way kids my age dance too. Its a never ending cycle of the same opinion. It'll always be like that.

Gang grinds

There is not very much about congo grinding, and triple grinding. Generally involves girls in the middle of a grind with 3 or more people. There can be guys in the middle, but no man will be behind or infront of another man when grinding unless they are homosexual.

Merge

Adding this subsection, since I didn't see any reference to it here. I'm for it. --Ori Livneh (talk)

I am also for it. I can think of no discernable difference between 'freak dancing,' 'bumping and grinding,' and 'grinding.' Dshack 02:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

What the hell?

Commonly and particularly at middle school parties, girls are often not comfortable with grinding with boys yet, and prefer to grind with other girls, often in 'grinding chains.' This is not suggesting that they are lesbians, as some may even have boyfriends, but are simply not comfortable with grinding with their boyfriend. In Puerto Rico, the youth scene seems to have a completely different attitude towards this matter as common youth "perreo" parties become part of regular nightlife at a very early age.

This whole paragraph is written in the most asinine tone I've ever seen. "This is not suggestive that they are lesbians"? Do we really need to include this for the one retarded 12 year old that is going to read this page and not figure it out? "as they may even have boyfriends" It sounds like it was written by a feminist/soccer-mom focus group. Last time I checked whether a middle school student had a partner of the opposite sex it didn't necessarily garauntee that they are straight. Does it mean that they are secually active? no, do I see no reason why it should specifically mean they are straight either. I'm going to try and fix this drivel...--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 04:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• I agree, wit the idea, that explanations of inferrrences are not neccessary, however, we could do without the derrogatory language... just get to the point without insulting the writers...to them it was a good piec of work most likely...--Vox Causa 23:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

the general point still hold true, you see girls grinding against each more often than you might simplistically expect due to the uncomfort with a guy. Mathmo 00:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Sexual Harrasment

There was a discussion recently about how unwanted grinding is considered sexual harrasment - is this true? PMA 10:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Sexual assault, often referred to as rape, is legally defined differently in each state. In New Jersey, the law defines sexual assault as "the penetration, no matter how slight, in which physical force or coercion is used or in which the victim is physically or mentally incapacitated". Penetration is defined as "vaginal intercourse, cunnilingus, fellatio or anal intercourse between persons or the insertion of a hand, finger or other object into the anus or vagina by either the actor or upon the actor's instruction" (NJSA 2C:14-1). I don't think so, as long as BOTH participants consent. Of course, in PS systems, if one partener is forced against his/her will, Then, yes. Jeff503 19:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The issue of that statement though is the fact that you are citing a sexual assault law to answer a question about sexual harassment. The latter is universally applied within the US as unwanted sexual advances, regardless of physical contact.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 17:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality

Be Careful on this article, I have edited it to reflect homosexual couples, which do exist Jeff503 19:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I found the "his and her" stuff tedious. I've replaced it with a single sentence. Martin 16:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Champeta

A less suggestive variation of this is used when dancing the Colombian-based rhythm champeta.

I removed this. Any dance which has closed position could be considered a "less suggestive variation" of grinding - even Balboa. Also, the champeta article seems to be about a musical genre, not a dance.

Malayya

Who can write something about Malayya and is this related to Bubbling?

Simon de Danser 19:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Immoralities of this dance!

I saw people doing this dance around little kids. Also, people brought their kids to a fundraiser dance where the DJ played hip hop tracks which had loopholes to the censorship system!

I think it is just morally wrong do to this dance around little kids!

Anybody here agree?

Because I think this dance has something sexual about it. --Boxstaa (talk) 19:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Saying that grinding is immoral is like saying sex is immoral.

Also, this is for discussion of the article, not the topic in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.107.254.11 (talk) 21:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

No. Litteraly nobody here agrees with you. This is 2011 not the 1950's.67.181.48.59 (talk) 04:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Sources

msnbc has an article about it if you need sources. 148.61.253.220 (talk) 19:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Upload

[2] [3] [4] --Guerillero | My Talk 04:21, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Incidents of injury?

I'm removing these words from the sentence because I've never heard of any and when I clicked on the external link, it took me to a page that had nothing to do with any injury. I think they were thinking of slam dancing.76.125.53.9 (talk) 03:26, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Read this: BuzzFeed article

Clink this link and go to number twenty-one. This article and the picture are featured...lol... Article ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 05:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

No valid reason to remove the image; thus reverted. Flyer22 (talk) 05:16, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Note: I added ": BuzzFeed article" on to the heading of this section so that it is clearer as to what this section is about; it will also help identifying the section once it is archived. Flyer22 (talk) 05:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I was just about to comment about the buzz feed article [5] on the Grinding talk page haha. I don't don't suggest we remove the image but rather find a better one. Though the image does properly illustrate a male and a female "grinding", it is comical and out of place for a number of reasons. First, the way both of the dancers are looking at the camera it appears they weren't even ready for the picture. Second, the way the male is dressed insinuates the idea that "grinding" is outlandish and wild. Third, the photo had to be taken in a bar considering what they are standing on and the cigarette in his mouth. Let me hear your thoughts. Meatsgains (talk) 05:39, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

If you find a better image of grinding at WP:Commons, I don't mind an image change. But this image that was in the article before I returned the current (and now debated) image does not suffice and is, in my opinion, worse than the current image. Flyer22 (talk) 05:44, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah...both are poor images. The current image should keep until we find a new one. I'll go ahead and see if I can find one. Meatsgains (talk) 06:00, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Note: Regarding the BuzzFeed article that Gobonobo linked to at the top of the talk page, I was briefly interviewed via email for that article on June 6, 2014. The author stated that she saw a lot of vandalism to the Grinding (dance) Wikipedia entry, and that she saw me consistently cleaning it up. She wanted to know if I could tell her "a little about what I've noticed in terms of the vandalism - is it more common on this page because it's sort of funny?"

I told her the following: "I take it that you've seen the talk page discussion about a previous BuzzFeed report focusing on the Grinding (dance) article? As can be seen from the article's edit history, the vandalism to the article is actually infrequent. But we did have an increase in traffic to the article when the previous BuzzFeed article was published (like I indicated here). That led to an increase in vandalism and editors trying to remove the image because the BuzzFeed article encouraged them to. Like the aforementioned talk page discussion shows, if we had a better, less humor[ou]s image of grinding to use, we would use it. But Wikipedia's images of living people have to be free images; this is per Wikipedia:Image use policy. However, when it's an image of a deceased person or a fictional character, simply using the image based on the fair-use guideline (Wikipedia:Non-free content) is usually fine. Anyway, yeah, when it comes to vandalism on Wikipedia, the Grinding (dance) article is pretty low on the scale. It's the more contentious topics that are prone to vandalism, such as religion or sexuality. And in that regard, a lot of our religion or sexuality articles are WP:Semi-protected." Flyer22 (talk) 16:12, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Note: ChrisTofu11961 and Meatsgains, thanks to this edit by Zacwill16, we finally have a better lead image for the article. Flyer22 (talk) 00:36, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

@Flyer22: Thank goodness! The previous image was terrible lol Thanks User:ChrisTofu11961! Meatsgains (talk) 01:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Meatsgains, LOL! I think you meant "Thanks, Zacwill16," by the way. Flyer22 (talk) 02:21, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Old picture is iconic for this article and should be kept. "The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article. ". Old image accomplishes that just as well the new image, while being iconic and humorous. 50.255.54.238 (talk) 07:09, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

References

New article on grinding

A new article on grinding came out recently in Vox Magazine. Any thoughts on if it is worth adding some of the information to the page? I saw the article online today and thought how strange it was to see an article on grinding in the news. Then I came across this page, saw it could use some expansion, and thought maybe it would be worth adding some material from the article to this page. LMK what you think!Comatmebro ^{~Come at me~} 05:42, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I fixed the link for you. Odd that I thought about this article an hour ago at random, and now here you are. Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with expanding the article with a bit from that source. Flyer22 (talk) 05:46, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Dates

The first time I ever saw grinding on the dance floor in a club was April, 1984. That's pretty much how the couple danced to the rhythm of several songs. Of course, we can't source this to me, but I mention it here to encourage editors to look for even earlier references than those in this article. Rklawton (talk) 21:09, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Ugly picture

We seriously could not get a single better looking picture of grinding from the entirety of the internet? Those two are wearing clothes you go to the gas station in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moon822 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Find a better image and I'd be happy to replace it. Meatsgains (talk) 20:22, 24 December 2016 (UTC)