Talk:Hakuba Takeshi

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Sports and Games

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	Sports portal This article is supported by the sports and games work group.

Sumo Mid‑importance

	Martial arts portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sumo, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Sumo on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SumoWikipedia:WikiProject SumoTemplate:WikiProject SumoSumo articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Trivia section[edit]

"Though Hakuba transferred to Michinoku stable in 2000, he was still officially considered a member of the defunct Tatsugawa stable. This is because when he joined, Michinoku already had it's JSA designated limit of one foreign wrestler; the fellow Mongolian Ryūhō." Bit confused by this. Ryuho is Japanese, not Mongolian. The foreigner in Michinoku at the time was the Argentine Hoshitango - is this who was meant?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah Ryuho is obviously a mistake (I might have confused him with Ryuo). It must be Hoshitango, but it could be the other Argentinian that followed him when Hoshitango took Japanese citizenship. I think I'll just take out any name references to be safe. Thanks for picking up on that. FourTildes (talk) 22:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While we're at it, can somebody give a source for that "still officially considered a Tatsutagawa stable member" bit? I've literally never read that before and I consider myself pretty well-informed on the administrative issues of Ozumo. To the best of my knowledge the one-foreigner-per-stable limit simply gets waived in the event of a stable merger. (See e.g. also the Kitanoumi/Hatachiyama merger which resulted in Kitanoumi-beya having both Orora and Hakurozan.) Zeyes (talk) 10:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Check the second link under external links and read his Japanese bio. That is what I understood the Japanese to say, if it's factual anyway. I should have made it a ref instead of leaving it an external link, but I have been spreading myself pretty thin lately. I will change it to a ref or delete it, depending on our conclusion after you have taken a look. Glad to know someone is actual bothering read and check the articles. FourTildes (talk) 11:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh...no, it's a bit different. If I understand it correctly, it's roughly "[although he was introduced through an acquaintance of Tatsutagawa-oyakata] because Tatsutagawa-oyakata's retirement was only two years away Hakuba was going to enter Michinoku-beya, but due to the foreigner limit he ended up making his debut out of Tatsutagawa-beya after all." (Presumably with the understanding that he'd eventually be with Michinoku-beya anyway.) I'm not quite sure what the background is here...perhaps Hoshitango's naturalization (effective Nov 2000) was meant to take place much earlier or maybe Hoshiandesu was planning to retire earlier than he ended up doing (Sep 2000), and that's why Hakuba was originally scheduled to be with Michinoku-beya, before a change of plans. Zeyes (talk) 13:00, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add for clarification: Where I translated as "enter" and "making his debut", the original comment both times specifically refers to the shindeshi kensa, the physical examination of new recruits, so it's only talking about that particular moment, not the later situation when Tatsutagawa retired. Zeyes (talk) 13:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I thought maybe it could be interpreted that way, but I wasn't sure what a "shindeshi kensa" entailed and if it was something done on more than once or what. I thought it strange that they would put that particular info at the end, confusing it's chronology. Anyway, I will change the explanation and ref it correctly. Thanks. FourTildes (talk) 20:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Hakuba Takeshi. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100126143458/http://www.daily.co.jp/sumo/2010/01/20/0002653522.shtml to http://www.daily.co.jp/sumo/2010/01/20/0002653522.shtml

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 06:37, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]