Talk:Handstand (song)

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Review: December 27, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Flibirigit (talk) 23:12, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that French Montana's fourth studio album They Got Amnesia was delayed by one week due to recording of the music video for "Handstand"? Source: https://www.rap-up.com/2021/11/16/french-montana-doja-cat-handstand-snippet/

Created by Infsai (talk). Self-nominated at 01:11, 26 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Article was a redirect prior to creation as a standalone on March 26. It's well written, neutral, and sourced throughout. Nominator is QPQ exempt. The hook is a problem, though. The source says A video has already been shot and may have been the reason why French’s album was delayed, according to Doja. Emphasis mine. Any other ideas for hooks? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator has not responded to nomination concerns despite a talk page message and activity elsewhere. Marking for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:39, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing this nomination as abandoned. Flibirigit (talk) 23:12, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Handstand (song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Eurohunter (talk · contribs) 18:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Infsai: I started review. Comments will be below. Review within 2023 GAN Backlog Drives. Eurohunter (talk) 18:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

"It was written by the performers" - what performers mean? Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"A bouncy hip hop song, it interpolates Big Pun's 2000 single "It's So Hard"." - shouldn't it be "As bouncy hip hop song, it interpolates Big Pun's 2000 single "It's So Hard".? Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Changed both. infsai (talkie? UwU) 14:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Composition and reception

"which itself is based around a sample of Danny Rivera" - do you mean this Danny Rivera? It's not linked. Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there is the reason to capitalise "En Un Rincon Del Alma". Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Changed both. infsai (talkie? UwU) 14:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would try to incorporate descriptions of what was said than direct quotes of reviews. Same for section "Music video". Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll try to tinker later today/tomorrow. infsai (talkie? UwU) 14:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Music video

"placed themselves in a Thunderdome-like future" - if Bethy Squires mean film of that title, then it should be italicised. Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. infsai (talkie? UwU) 14:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Credits and personnel

Missing reference. Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not missing, per WP:PERSONNEL it's not needed to source credits sections, however I added a source. infsai (talkie? UwU) 14:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would list credits by role than person. Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I never do it this way, and I pretty much hate the way it looks. infsai (talkie? UwU) 14:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Other

Would you upload and add audio sample to infobox? Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is no need to; if there was some kind of special quality about it pointed out by critics, then I would certainly add it, but I don't see it as necessary here. infsai (talkie? UwU) 14:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How is this a single if there is no digital or physical release? Releasing it in radio doesn't mean that's a single. It has no cover too? Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If there is no confirmation of single release then whole article need to be modifed. Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was released to radio only in two countries? Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If a song gets added to radio airplay on national level, then automatically it is qualified as a single. "Handstand" was sent to rhythmic stations in the United States (as indicated by AllAccess) and to radio airplay in Italy (as indicated by EarOne). Both sources are reliable per WP:SINGLE?. infsai (talkie? UwU) 14:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added Category:Song recordings produced by Hitmaka. Are there categories for the other producers too? If not is the enough songs produced by them to create categories? Eurohunter (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Replace parameter "Work" or "Publisher" with "Website" in references. Eurohunter (talk) 21:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Infsai: Some issues are still unanswered. Eurohunter (talk) 16:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Infsai @Eurohunter there's been no progress here in almost 3 months. Can this get wrapped up soon? RoySmith (talk) 15:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Handstand (song)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Godtres (talk · contribs) 19:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm taking over this review from Talk:Handstand (song)/GA1 because it was not failed in the usual way, rather renominated. I'll see whether it meets the good article criteria, and I am happy for any of the previous reviewers to add to my comments to this review. Godtres (talk) 19:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
The prose is clear, and (just about) concise. The spelling and grammar are mostly correct. I've made a few edits to bring this up to standard, and I'm sure more work could be done. Godtres (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
Lead: this is ok. Godtres (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Layout: this is compliant. Godtres (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Words to watch: "Language that is vulgar, obscene, or profane should be used only if its omission would make an article less accurate or relevant, and if there is no non-obscene alternative." I'm not sure this guideline has been followed. Also, I've removed a relative time phrase, "four days later". Godtres (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect there are still some changes that could be made, but this is now ok. Godtres (talk) 20:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fiction: this article is compliant. Godtres (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lists: this article is not compliant. The "charts" and "release history" sections are unnecessary and/or repeat material already covered in prose format. Godtres (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've deleted the release history section (repeated fully in prose format, with little need for a table to summarise this - see WP:INDISCRIMINATE). I think that the charts section does have some use to it. Godtres (talk) 20:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is it verifiable with no original research?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
There is a list of all references at the end etc.. Godtres (talk) 20:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
All claims that could be reasonably challenged have citations. Godtres (talk) 20:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spot check of sources: I'm checking citation 21. The first usage is (just about) ok. The second is spot-on, as is the third. Godtres (talk) 20:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Additional spot check of sources: I'm now checking citation 2. The first usage is fine. I think the second is good. The link is broken for the third, so I'll assume it was fine; the fourth, likewise. Godtres (talk) 20:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

C. It contains no original research:
There does not appear to be any original research. Godtres (talk) 20:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
There does not appear to be any plagiarism. Godtres (talk) 20:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
The article addresses the main aspects of the topic. Godtres (talk) 20:26, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
The article is mostly focused on the topic, although there is some unnecessary detail, e.g. repetition of "charts" section earlier in the article, and e.g. in the line "Rap-Up suggested that...". Godtres (talk) 20:26, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed some of the unnecessary detail, so this is now compliant. Godtres (talk) 20:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
The article only includes reviews that like the song, which may be because there are only positive reviews. The reviews should be phrased in a more impartial way, such that it does not appear that Wikipedia is endorsing them as fact. This was a point raised in the last review. Godtres (talk) 20:26, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are apparently no negative reviews. Godtres (talk) 20:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
The article is stable. Godtres (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
Images have fair-use rationales. Godtres (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Images are relevant and have suitable captions, where necessary.
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
I'll place this on hold, to see whether there's any appetite from @Infsai: for improving the article to good article status. After 7 days, without improvement, I'll fail it. Godtres (talk) 20:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I'm surprised that someone decided to review this article, I thought that after the last one it was declined. Anyway, I brought back "Composition and recption" as one section, since there is no way in current form of the article to seperate them. I thought about it a lot, and it makes sense to me to pair them up, since there is so little valuable information about this song. I changed some wording, so the readers will know when something is an opinion, and when something is a fact. And sadly, I couldn't find any negative or mixed review of the song. I don't know why everyone is praising this mediocare track, but I can't do anything about it. :v

According to your review, "Charts" and "Release history" sections are redundant, however they serve a purpose of more image-like information for the reader. Every other song article has both of this sections if there's a need. Whenever the song charts somewhere, there's always a table made for that, while the "Release history" table is added when there are at least two different releases of such song, which happens here. So, there's no need to remove them.

Sorry to anwser this late, but recently I'm having only graveyard shifts, thus giving me little time to actually do something outside the work. infsai (talkie? UwU) 07:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for replying. We'll compromise over the charts and release history section, and keep the former, but not the latter. I've made a few more changes to the article, which should hopefully bring it up to standard. Godtres (talk) 19:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll now pass this article. There's still some work that can be done (e.g. the composition section is not a full description of the song), but it meets the good article criteria. Godtres (talk) 09:40, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]